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Very simple. As they are the ones farming the drop, they control the price that it sells for. They jack the price up, and on the occasion that someone else does manage to get the drop and put it on the broker for a lower price, they sap it up and resell it at their inflated price. Do it with highly wanted items and people will eventually buy it.

Not all the servers have the bots take Runnyeye for example:

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_srankings_detailed.vm?rank=npcKillsRankServer&type=MostNPCKills&serverId=204

The highest is a wizard but its lvl 50 with 20 scholar and the second is an assasin.
Or Guk

http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/player_srankings_detailed.vm?rank=npcKillsRankServer&type=MostNPCKills&serverId=101

Its highest killer is a lvl 49 Guardian

case in point, and it's not even ige... i did a search and came up with over 100 hits for people selling plat on all servers, both good and evil... here's a sample (names and sites XXXX'd out because i can):


note that this one, in particular, even claims to be reselling pp from "the game developers directly"! WTF?

and how much are they making?



/sigh

and they list every server as having the currency available within 20 minutes, either alignment.

note! i in no way condone the sale of pp reselling, and posted this as an informational bit only and stuff... jic that wasnt obvious :x.

Edited, Wed Dec 22 15:44:49 2004 by runyariel

Great well done so what are you going to by with it? more pointed ly what would you NEED to by with it?

The only thing would be rare tradeskill things maybe

Armour? ummm no because i can get as good stuff at my level from quests andthing better than i have will be red to me so i can't use it

Weapons? umm see above.

i do not see EQ2 players ever needing a huge amount of gold on a regular basis.

theres a guy on ebay who seems to be powerselling gold on a bunch of different servers and making quite a substantial amount of pocket change.

crushbone, AB, befallen, guk, oasis, butcherblock, najena, unrest, everfrost, mistmoore, toxxulia, highkeep, oggok, nektulos, lucan, innothule, and blackburrow seems to be where his bots are...both for qeynos and freeport, ranging from 10-30 gold...and he has 93 auctions up for the next week...so unless theres some ungodly way to make that much gold in that little time then this guy is def a major contender...


just figured to let you in on my searching

yea its not allowed because everything ingame, items, copper, gold, silver whathaveyou...all belongs to SOE in the end.

A law is only a Law if you enforce it, or in this case are able to enforce it.

I think if SoE ever went to court claiming they own the character they would probably lose.

I agree, however i also believe that they brought this up in the design phase of EQ2 and that is why it is IMHO almost pointless to plat farm in EQ2.

The comodities that where sort after in the other major MMORPG's <Twink items and dropable and farmable uber gear> are just not farmable in great enough quantities and included in the leveling process to such an extent that by the time you get to level 50 you should be in lvl 50 gear

While at the same time that level 50 would be useless to a level 40 as it would be red to him.

"I fail to see how Bots/farmers 'Ruin' the economy. All they do is make valuable items more common, which usually makes them less expensive. I don't see how they could have a significant impact on the actual amount of wealth coming into the game"

If only that were true. But "all they do" is not only to make valuable items more common - if that were true prices would have gone down in old EQ. And in some cases they did. At the end of the first year I could sell the Stein of Moggok for 300 to 400 plat. That was HUGE money, believe me - and if you flame me again on this - sheesh dude - you have a memory issue - sorry, but I was there - I know what I saw.

Note, it's really not farmers who are under attack here but bots - the bots may be farming or skilling - but the main issue is that they pump excess amounts of money into the game, driving up prices so that only (1) people who buy online plat can afford cool things, (2) only older players w/ very high lvl chars can afford things, or (3) only very determined players who have the time to click themselves money can afford things.

All right, I shouldn't ahve put it that way - because you fall into the third camp - or from an above post you seem to. You were a dude who clicked himself to some serious money in old eq, and you probably feel threatened by this thread. If you read this thread carefully, you shouldn't feel threatened. We are not going after you. We're going after botters, not ambitious players.

The only points that actually resonate here from the "don't worry about it" crowd come from the people who say that the game is so well designed that a flood of gold from bots won't really matter - you can't twink - so what's the point? And this is a good point... but only up to a point. Add Murphy's Law, and ... I bet a flood of gold could corrupt this game, even though the designers made changes to try to head it off. Granted the impact would be less, and hopefully this will be enough (because as others say, Sony is unlikely to take any meaningful steps to stop botting - it would mean spending $ to kill accunts that pay them $).

The first gold piece went on sale for $75. I doubt anyone bought it. Gold now sells for under $6 a piece - 10 days ago it was over twice that. So, the price is coming down. Dunno if anyone is buying any. And heck at that price a slow 2pp horse would cost... gah, a crazy amount of real money ($1200? did i do the math right?). But if you have $ in RL and really really want an adept 3 or mastery... see? That's where an excess of $ can ***** things up. It's money that doesn't come from players but rather from factories. It would really suck if no one could afford adept 3's or masters. Well, the adept 2 and master 2 quests might undercut that market - but will also undercut players who make upgrades. Very complex. I don't pretend to "know" for certain, by the way, that I'm right. But so far the contention that excessive floods of money into mmos from botters = artificial inflation which hurts the average gamer - this one seems to be the most true. And I hope we don't see this. It won't kill the game, but it makes for a very unpleasant element to exist in it.

see the thing you arent seeing tarv is the gold from bot farming has already affected the market. i.e an adept1 predator skill about 2 weeks in game was selling for about 20sp or so now those same skills are selling upwards of 1+gp for the same skill. and also read the coral / silver cluster post that was earlier and you will see posts of how coral and silver clusters have jumped from about 25+sp to now over 10gp on some servers which in turn makes adept3 skills and spells cost well over 10gp just so a crafter can make any money off of the combine. and if those BoTs or hired players werent shoving massive ammounts of money into the system you wouldnt of seen such hyperinflation this early in the game. cuase within about a month and a half prices have had close to probably a 4000% price increase on adept3 skills compared to what they were 3 weeks ago that is insane in my opinion.
now i think i worded this right but probably not since im kinda tired after having to drive 4 hours in traffic and snow to get home from work today lol.

yes but if some one grows out of an item they will sell it so they have a monopoly now but soon after the market is flooded with the "sword" people will bye it at the higher price set by them but after there done with it then what?

what if 5 people have the same "sword" and they grow out of it at the same time then theres 5 of that item and the farmed ones in the economy and they will have a price war...

the same monopally wont happen as much in eq as in real life
i real life company supply stuff to consumers so that there will usally not be an over abondance in the future.supply demand.but if some one always farms that "sword" there will be an overflux in the economy of that item..period.. like thats it

also items in eq are not like most things in real life

just like how cars have different resale values even if its the same car and year depending on the quality

not true with eq the same "sword" the same thing no matter how old will be worth the same will not deteriate... might be replaced by someing newer or better...witch is why monopollys work in real life theres always something cooler and better we got to have... so in exspansions they will have monopollys too but it wont last long

but you cant take stuff for real life and put it as an exsample for eq YES i Agrea they will have a monopolly for the first part of the game but later not as much...if eq was like realy life then all my tea and picnics would have gone bad

The only thing I have spent money in Eq2 on is this

food
mending my armour
Skills

Now the increase in price of adept1's and adept 3's is more to do with TSer's than anything else the cost of making an Ap3 has meant that surely and adept 1 drop has to cost more.

I got a Master 1 drop last night my gulide told me to sell it for 1pp now I don't think I'd ever shift it at that price as I'm the only one selling I haven't a clue.

I've recieved more master/adept skills from Guild mates and buying them from our guild Trade skill monkey than I have off anyone else in the broker. I have like a gold on my character and last time I looked at the broker I didn't go near the armour section or weapons list (all of it junk priced exceptionally high)... money is next to useless in this game. If I want something I'll go quest it or hunt it myself, unlike eq1 no one can really 'camp' important mobs for long, just go to a different instance of the zone.

if eq 1 had problems with bots and farmers i didnt notice it in the economy the economy was fine in eq 1 for the 2 years i played...i think it sould be hard to get boots of flowing slime...i would rather have an influx of plat so when i bye say 20 of some gem its only 4k i can say that cus i just sold a chain paint pattern for 40k or so...what i have ben trying to say this whole time is stop worring about bots or farmers thats soe's job i kind of like haveing every thing cost alot and be avilable... if 10 k was worth alot in eq 1 still i would have had all the cool silk **** and all that good stuff at level 55 but i had to go kill stuff in groups to get it like you sould when i get alot of money i cant just re equip my guy its costs alot having hi prices makes you chose between a FT 2 item or 2 level 65 spells so in eq 1 thats what made the difference with you chartor 1. how you played and 2. how and what you bought and yes 3. your conections and giulds you knew or where in... i dont play eq as a game to play with the economy yes there are some who do... but if i worry about them all the time it will further **** with my enjoyment of the game.... i like to let thing how they are cus as you noticed with SOE if you ***** it dont help much...so play the game if you dont like it complain and if that dont work then leave it cus if your right about the monopallys in eq2 and that stuff then that just makes it more like real life

i quit playing at 65 and 112 AAs not to good not to bad i like to work at stuff to get it and thats what i had fun with if you want to go out and get 10k plat from mobs and have it WORTH something and can buy cool stuff and have it be that easy to reach your goals... go play DAOC or something... i like things being complicated and difficalt and having twists in the game and i souldnt get out of hand too much soe does do something to prevent this its just hard to get everyone and hard to furgure out if there really bots or peoplecus i used to play 36 hours in a row on a spawn for friends epics and such

i had fun with eq 1 i hope it will be the same with eq 2 i just with ******* alla had more info on a preneum service site god i gotta read this **** in forums to get any real info thats gay

ya i do agrea bots suck but what ya going to do?