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Sure, languages change over time. This wouldn't even be the first time that acronyms became words. Snafu, scuba and laser all started out as acronyms.
That still doesn't mean I'm going to stop grinding my teeth when I hear /harris-ment/ instead of /ha-rass-ment/, "orientated" instead of "oriented", or "incentivized" instead of "encouraged".
If I ever find the person who took the L and the R out of alright, they had better run fast and far away. It had already been cut from "all right" to "alright", cutting it further to /ah-ite/ is just going too far for me.
That still doesn't mean I'm going to stop grinding my teeth when I hear /harris-ment/ instead of /ha-rass-ment/, "orientated" instead of "oriented", or "incentivized" instead of "encouraged".
If I ever find the person who took the L and the R out of alright, they had better run fast and far away. It had already been cut from "all right" to "alright", cutting it further to /ah-ite/ is just going too far for me.
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Posted: Dec 18 2004 at 6:27 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) maybe people just dont care
This is what we're reduced to while our servers are down, beeching at each other over spelling and grammar?
Ayiyiyiyiyiyi.
For some of us it *hurts* to type so much after a point. Pls and imo save us real, physical pain. Staves off the Carpal Tunnel Syndrome another few weeks.
We're in a brave new world now, one of servicing the "middle" of the Bell Curve rather than the right-hand tippy end. Dummying down everything to maximize sales (i.e. go for the "fat chunk" of the Bell Curve and ***** the geeks at the far right tippy end) is where it's at. How are you going to become a multi-billionaire trying to sell to the picky, hard-to-please minority of the elite? You aren't. So, as technology ^, it will be used more and more to go for that fat chunk and not you, the tippy-end-of-the-Bell-Curve elites. So deal with it. You're now a dinosaur. Think I'm happy about it? I'm not. But nothing's going to change it, nothing we can do, at any rate. That said, fight the good fight. I may even help you. Just know what you're up against, Don (Quixote).
Ayiyiyiyiyiyi.
For some of us it *hurts* to type so much after a point. Pls and imo save us real, physical pain. Staves off the Carpal Tunnel Syndrome another few weeks.
We're in a brave new world now, one of servicing the "middle" of the Bell Curve rather than the right-hand tippy end. Dummying down everything to maximize sales (i.e. go for the "fat chunk" of the Bell Curve and ***** the geeks at the far right tippy end) is where it's at. How are you going to become a multi-billionaire trying to sell to the picky, hard-to-please minority of the elite? You aren't. So, as technology ^, it will be used more and more to go for that fat chunk and not you, the tippy-end-of-the-Bell-Curve elites. So deal with it. You're now a dinosaur. Think I'm happy about it? I'm not. But nothing's going to change it, nothing we can do, at any rate. That said, fight the good fight. I may even help you. Just know what you're up against, Don (Quixote).
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It's not such a new world, they said the same thing about Shakespeare when he put "lowbrow" jokes in his plays.
Marketing to the middle of the bell curve isn't new, either. There have always been differences between selling to an "elite" group and selling to as many people as possible.
Besides, if this amuses us and prevents us from writing huge rants about how much Sony sucks for taking our playing time away, isn't that a good thing?
Marketing to the middle of the bell curve isn't new, either. There have always been differences between selling to an "elite" group and selling to as many people as possible.
Besides, if this amuses us and prevents us from writing huge rants about how much Sony sucks for taking our playing time away, isn't that a good thing?
People have actually acused me of being a bot before for speaking correctly! Hehehe. Yes, I do try to use correct grammer, and will usually not type "U" instead of "you". The only time I will use these shortcuts is when in a fiece battle, where two seconds of typing may mean life or death. Anyone who can type at a reasonable pace does not need to type like that >< I will make exceptions for those who cannot type, though. lol
To me, alot depends on the setting of the conversation.
If it's an informal setting, then I honestly have no problem with someone abbreviating or using doodz-speek to their heart's content. It might be grating on the eyes and ears, but I wouldn't consider it improper in a nonprofessional situation.
If, however, it's a more formal setting- such as a job interview or reading a professional correspondance of some sort, then you better believe that the person starts out on my bad side if they don't use at the very least proper English (and preferably better than proper). If you can't meet that standard, don't waste my time and yours by applying.
Part of it is a chip on my shoulder that comes from being Southern. Most people (read: anyone NOT from the South) automatically reduce our IQs by about 30 points once they hear a Southern accent. Yes, it's a stereotype that is perpetuated by ignorance (aided and abbetted by the media). For myself, being an ex-debator and extemporaneous speaker, I try my best not to fall back into Southern speech patterns. In fact, I've tried to be accent-neutral and, to a great extent, I've succeeded. I try my best to speak properly, especially when my daughter can hear me because I want her to speak well too. She's 7 and being reviewed for accelerated academic placement so maybe, just maybe, the effort is paying off.
To the younger folks: it really doesn't take that much more effort to say something correctly as it takes to say it incorrectly. By the time you can come up with whatever the proper slang (contradiction in terms I know but humor me here), chances are pretty good that you could come up with the correct term for whatever it is your speaking of.
If it's an informal setting, then I honestly have no problem with someone abbreviating or using doodz-speek to their heart's content. It might be grating on the eyes and ears, but I wouldn't consider it improper in a nonprofessional situation.
If, however, it's a more formal setting- such as a job interview or reading a professional correspondance of some sort, then you better believe that the person starts out on my bad side if they don't use at the very least proper English (and preferably better than proper). If you can't meet that standard, don't waste my time and yours by applying.
Part of it is a chip on my shoulder that comes from being Southern. Most people (read: anyone NOT from the South) automatically reduce our IQs by about 30 points once they hear a Southern accent. Yes, it's a stereotype that is perpetuated by ignorance (aided and abbetted by the media). For myself, being an ex-debator and extemporaneous speaker, I try my best not to fall back into Southern speech patterns. In fact, I've tried to be accent-neutral and, to a great extent, I've succeeded. I try my best to speak properly, especially when my daughter can hear me because I want her to speak well too. She's 7 and being reviewed for accelerated academic placement so maybe, just maybe, the effort is paying off.
To the younger folks: it really doesn't take that much more effort to say something correctly as it takes to say it incorrectly. By the time you can come up with whatever the proper slang (contradiction in terms I know but humor me here), chances are pretty good that you could come up with the correct term for whatever it is your speaking of.
hooked on phoenics worced for me!!
Scholar
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I got hooked up with monkey phonics myself!
fushizle!(don't actually know if thats how you spell it tho, but I am American and english isn't our first language)
fushizle!(don't actually know if thats how you spell it tho, but I am American and english isn't our first language)
And one of the worst consequences of people using abbreviations, dood speak and bad grammar is for people learning a new language by playing these games and cruising these boards. When I started everquest, in 1998 I could not speak or write for jack ****. Now, I still make alot of mistakes but at least I know I can write and speak english much better, but some of the things i say seems to have specific use in fantasy type conversation :)
I don't have any exemple coming to mind but it did made for some embarrassing moments.
After 5 years of EQ'ing, I have started to sometime dream in english thats weird when it happens.
And when i dream, i got no accent, when i think i got no accent... but when i speak eww. Seems that connection havent been made yet, its weird, i guess one day ill actually manage to prononciate the words better.
I don't have any exemple coming to mind but it did made for some embarrassing moments.
After 5 years of EQ'ing, I have started to sometime dream in english thats weird when it happens.
And when i dream, i got no accent, when i think i got no accent... but when i speak eww. Seems that connection havent been made yet, its weird, i guess one day ill actually manage to prononciate the words better.
A lot of you who are saying that it's ok to use this "new" way of typing and speaking are defending it by saying it's a shortcut and it's efficient. So, cutting corners and shortcuts are the new way to go. Got it.
A lot of you are also ******** and moaning about EQ2 being down all day Friday.
Well, it seems to me that maybe SoE might have been using shortcuts and cutting corners in order to have such a massive failure of their game.
You guys should be able to appreciate that.
for the record, I'm not bashing SoE and had no problem with the game being down.
A lot of you are also ******** and moaning about EQ2 being down all day Friday.
Well, it seems to me that maybe SoE might have been using shortcuts and cutting corners in order to have such a massive failure of their game.
You guys should be able to appreciate that.
for the record, I'm not bashing SoE and had no problem with the game being down.
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As a member of the elder race with crappy typing skills, I can honestly say that I don't mind shortcuts like imo, u, or Ty. Even plz doesn't really bother me. What really gets on my nerves is when people use there instead of their or your when they should be saying you're. It makes me wonder where my tax dollars are going.
but I am American and english isn't our first language)
I realize that that was said in jest but it's a real shame how true it is.
I realize that that was said in jest but it's a real shame how true it is.
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I agree with original poster. So many of the kids today, (i.e. 14 to 25 years of age) have lost the proper syntax to express themselves in common text. For the record, I am 34 years old.
One of my biggest grammar peeves is the improper use of the two words, "then" and "than". The misuse of these two words is very rampant and widespread amoung not only the undereducated youth but amoung many adults of my age class and older. I have observed that many people will use the word "then" much more freely and often in the place of the word "than". They are entirely two different words and are not as similar as many people misunderstand them to be. "Then" can be used as an adverb, adjective or noun. "Than", is a conjugate to join together a comparison of nouns or adjectives.
Copied from dictionary.com for those wanting to understand the difference between the two:
then ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thn)
adv.
At that time: I was still in school then. Come at noon; I'll be ready then.
Next in time, space, or order; immediately afterward: watched the late movie and then went to bed.
In addition; moreover; besides: It costs $20, and then there's the sales tax to pay.
Used after but to qualify or balance a preceding statement: The star was nervous, but then who isn't on the first night of a new play.
In that case; accordingly: If traffic is heavy, then allow extra time.
As a consequence; therefore: The case, then, is closed.
n.
That time or moment: The bus leaves at four; until then let's walk.
adj.
Being so at that time: the then chairman of the board.
than ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thn, thn)
conj.
Used after a comparative adjective or adverb to introduce the second element or clause of an unequal comparison: She is a better athlete than I.
Used to introduce the second element after certain words indicating difference: He draws quite differently than she does.
When. Used especially after hardly and scarcely: I had scarcely walked in the door than the commotion started.
prep. Usage Problem
In comparison or contrast with: could run faster than him; outclassed everyone other than her.
I'm afraid the english language is changing to a more fluid, dynamic and less structured form of written word amoung the common masses. There will always be written proper english, but I believe it will be as hard for many youth of tomorrow to read as old english was for my generation while in school. Times are truely changing.
One of my biggest grammar peeves is the improper use of the two words, "then" and "than". The misuse of these two words is very rampant and widespread amoung not only the undereducated youth but amoung many adults of my age class and older. I have observed that many people will use the word "then" much more freely and often in the place of the word "than". They are entirely two different words and are not as similar as many people misunderstand them to be. "Then" can be used as an adverb, adjective or noun. "Than", is a conjugate to join together a comparison of nouns or adjectives.
Copied from dictionary.com for those wanting to understand the difference between the two:
then ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thn)
adv.
At that time: I was still in school then. Come at noon; I'll be ready then.
Next in time, space, or order; immediately afterward: watched the late movie and then went to bed.
In addition; moreover; besides: It costs $20, and then there's the sales tax to pay.
Used after but to qualify or balance a preceding statement: The star was nervous, but then who isn't on the first night of a new play.
In that case; accordingly: If traffic is heavy, then allow extra time.
As a consequence; therefore: The case, then, is closed.
n.
That time or moment: The bus leaves at four; until then let's walk.
adj.
Being so at that time: the then chairman of the board.
than ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thn, thn)
conj.
Used after a comparative adjective or adverb to introduce the second element or clause of an unequal comparison: She is a better athlete than I.
Used to introduce the second element after certain words indicating difference: He draws quite differently than she does.
When. Used especially after hardly and scarcely: I had scarcely walked in the door than the commotion started.
prep. Usage Problem
In comparison or contrast with: could run faster than him; outclassed everyone other than her.
I'm afraid the english language is changing to a more fluid, dynamic and less structured form of written word amoung the common masses. There will always be written proper english, but I believe it will be as hard for many youth of tomorrow to read as old english was for my generation while in school. Times are truely changing.
Ty for reminding me of the diffrence between 'then' and 'than' even tho I prolly use it the correct way most of the time. (Not sure tho O,o).
I am one of thoose guys who do use abbravations alot but I still want to know the correct way since when writing official mails etc I want to do it correct and also when I speak I want to speak correct.
Ty
Ps. Yes, I know 'tho' should be typed 'though' and 'prolly' should be typed 'probably'. And once again, I speak swedish as my first language, not english. Ds.
I am one of thoose guys who do use abbravations alot but I still want to know the correct way since when writing official mails etc I want to do it correct and also when I speak I want to speak correct.
Ty
Ps. Yes, I know 'tho' should be typed 'though' and 'prolly' should be typed 'probably'. And once again, I speak swedish as my first language, not english. Ds.
Have you ever tried to read a lengthy piece by someone who writes the whole thing in "dood-speak", eliminating capitalization, punctuation and abbreviating as much a possible? It's a royal pain. So for anyone who thinks it's more efficient, maybe it is for the writer, but they slow down their audience maybe 25 - 50%. So if 10 people read the message we've actually lost multiples in efficiency.
After you learn to read language is visual, you don't look at all the letters, you look at the shape of entire words or even sentences. (To prove that to yourself, try covering up the bottom half of the letters a sentence with a piece of paper - you can still read it. You can't read it if you cover up the top half) When you type in dood-speak it's like throwing water on a watercolor painting, it distorts the message.
School kids will not ever be learning to read in dood-speak. Talk to some teachers of any age from still in college to near retirement. I guarantee you'll find very few fans of dood-speak. It's a fad, and it will go away in time. If anything computers will get smart enough to automatically correct everything.
After you learn to read language is visual, you don't look at all the letters, you look at the shape of entire words or even sentences. (To prove that to yourself, try covering up the bottom half of the letters a sentence with a piece of paper - you can still read it. You can't read it if you cover up the top half) When you type in dood-speak it's like throwing water on a watercolor painting, it distorts the message.
School kids will not ever be learning to read in dood-speak. Talk to some teachers of any age from still in college to near retirement. I guarantee you'll find very few fans of dood-speak. It's a fad, and it will go away in time. If anything computers will get smart enough to automatically correct everything.
god give it a rest why do you care
mokuba wrote:
god give it a rest why do you care
Why do you care if I care?
You've replied to this thread three times saying, basically, shut up and leave me alone. Based on the content of your messages IMHO you're possibly upset that your habits are being called into question. In real life people will not always accept everything you do - get used to it.
I specifically posted because I wanted to point out that there is an objective reason why dood-speak is bad.
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This is what we're reduced to while our servers are down, beeching at each other over spelling and grammar?
Ayiyiyiyiyiyi.
For some of us it *hurts* to type so much after a point. Pls and imo save us real, physical pain. Staves off the Carpal Tunnel Syndrome another few weeks.
We're in a brave new world now, one of servicing the "middle" of the Bell Curve rather than the right-hand tippy end. Dummying down everything to maximize sales (i.e. go for the "fat chunk" of the Bell Curve and ***** the geeks at the far right tippy end) is where it's at. How are you going to become a multi-billionaire trying to sell to the picky, hard-to-please minority of the elite? You aren't. So, as technology ^, it will be used more and more to go for that fat chunk and not you, the tippy-end-of-the-Bell-Curve elites. So deal with it. You're now a dinosaur. Think I'm happy about it? I'm not. But nothing's going to change it, nothing we can do, at any rate. That said, fight the good fight. I may even help you. Just know what you're up against, Don (Quixote).
Ayiyiyiyiyiyi.
For some of us it *hurts* to type so much after a point. Pls and imo save us real, physical pain. Staves off the Carpal Tunnel Syndrome another few weeks.
We're in a brave new world now, one of servicing the "middle" of the Bell Curve rather than the right-hand tippy end. Dummying down everything to maximize sales (i.e. go for the "fat chunk" of the Bell Curve and ***** the geeks at the far right tippy end) is where it's at. How are you going to become a multi-billionaire trying to sell to the picky, hard-to-please minority of the elite? You aren't. So, as technology ^, it will be used more and more to go for that fat chunk and not you, the tippy-end-of-the-Bell-Curve elites. So deal with it. You're now a dinosaur. Think I'm happy about it? I'm not. But nothing's going to change it, nothing we can do, at any rate. That said, fight the good fight. I may even help you. Just know what you're up against, Don (Quixote).
Nice long post for one with CTS don't ya think :)
I for one hate it but use it too so that makes me a losing winner?
I agree with everyone (yeah that sounds like a contradiction). I use a combination of both abreviations and slang...and correct english. It does all depend on the setting. When I speak I use proper english for the most part, though I'll say yeah, or aight or some other new fangled word just depending on who I'm talking to and how they are speaking. When I'm typing, I just type whatever I'm thinking so it depends on what mindset I'm in. I do have the habit of typing faster than I'm thinking, thouhg I'm not sure how thats possible; I'll go back through what I've just written and it'll be full of not so much typo's but incorrect words. Homonyms, or homophones, or whatever you want to call them, like "there, their, and they're" or "your or you're." I do try to catch all that I can, some some make it passed me.
And Mokuba, I don't think anyone is going to throw a tantrum of have a heart attack over any of this, but we're just having a discussion about and and voicing our opinions, so, if you don't care...don't read the thread. It's almost like the radio, they all have buttons on it that do wonderful things. One of them changes the station, and another...turns it off.
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That being said, everyone likes to complain. Even me, so say what you will. Just don't expect anyone to stop.
Edited, Mon Dec 20 13:44:43 2004 by Bawls
And Mokuba, I don't think anyone is going to throw a tantrum of have a heart attack over any of this, but we're just having a discussion about and and voicing our opinions, so, if you don't care...don't read the thread. It's almost like the radio, they all have buttons on it that do wonderful things. One of them changes the station, and another...turns it off.
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That being said, everyone likes to complain. Even me, so say what you will. Just don't expect anyone to stop.
Edited, Mon Dec 20 13:44:43 2004 by Bawls
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well why do you care
Why would you care if he cared that you cared for why he cared?
I was going to read all of that, but I decided against it.
For the most part I spell everything out. The biggest exceptions come in raids and fast groups. Times like this I'de prefer to get my point across in as little time as possible. I just don't see the point to type out a paragraph when a few partial words gets the point across just fine.
When I am travelling or in merchant mode, however, I usually spell everything out and take pride in providing over-the-top descriptors for just about any common thought or story. =)
For the most part I spell everything out. The biggest exceptions come in raids and fast groups. Times like this I'de prefer to get my point across in as little time as possible. I just don't see the point to type out a paragraph when a few partial words gets the point across just fine.
When I am travelling or in merchant mode, however, I usually spell everything out and take pride in providing over-the-top descriptors for just about any common thought or story. =)
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