FIGHT FOR PVP!!Follow

The reason why PvP will affect me even if:

Its only on specific servers;
It is a Duel system;
Faction Vs Faction;
Only ON for those that do a quest to turn it on;
Arena Battles;
Whatever else I forgot;

Is that those that PvP WILL complain about class balance. It has happened in every single game that allows for PvP and it will never stop.

"So and so is so much more powerful than I am! Not fair! Nerf them!"

When SOE begins to listen to these paying customers, my game will also be effected. My class will begin to change and one day I will log on and find that my (any spell) is now weaker because someone, on a server that has nothing to do with me or that I interact with, has complained that when that spell is cast on them its not fair.

Now, PvE is different in that mobs are made to survive those spells and even fight back and win. Weakening that spell for PvP has now made me weaker in my PvE experience. So to all of those that say that it will not affect me in any way, I have seen it affect me always.

DAoC is a perfect example. They said that players had the option of not joing in the Realm Vs Realm aspect of the game if they did not want to. Well, when players in RvR complained about overpowered classes in other realms (complaints against Midgard come to mind) the Midgard classes were nerfed so bad that many stopped playing them. The Healer and Thane classes were two of the more powerful classes in RvR. Do you really think that those that did not play RvR were saved form the nerf bat? That their PvE experience was not in any way changed?

Whereas the main EQ2 site FAQ says:


I don't think that constitutes a promise.

and Mokuba wrote:

Which proved conclusively that he knows nothing about PvP. Most PvP players think /duel isn't real PvP at all. There are many different flavours of PvP even within EQ.

On Rallos Zek server you could kill anyone as long as you were within 4 levels of them and loot all coin and 1 item.

On Tallon Zek and Vallon Zek it is team PvP so you can only kill people on the opposing team but you have an 8 level range and can loot coin only.

On Sullon Zek it is team PvP with no level limit.

Those are a long way from the PvP-lite of duel and arena combat. I have never been interested in dueling but I can see the arguments for it. It feels pretty lame on a "roleplay" server to have people from Freeport come to taunt Qeynos and all that can happen is a rather silly shouting match - made much sillier by the people (who chose an RP server remember) saying "don't use shout, it's rude. Use /ooc".

That said it also gives rise to all kinds of silly attitudes. I remember one time having a perfectly decent exp group when 2 of the people decided to duel each other. The other 4 of us basically had to sit and do nothing while these 2 killed each other then wait longer while medding up from rezzing, healing and buffing the loser.

Um... as previously stated.. FIGHT FOR PVP!!

because i dont take forums seriously like you and i want pvp?

eq had pvp and pve and its like the best

Well, seems this is another forum where people wish to force their ideas of fun on others. (THOU SHALT NOT SOLO!!!, If you want to solo go...).
Look folks its easy, if you don't want PvP, don't do it. A PvP server is fine, because only the peopl who want to play there have to. As far as I know, no one was ever forced to play on TZ/RZ/SZ.
With a separate server, none of you have to here what goes on there.
I will tell you one thing, there are a lot of people in EQ II now that could get a much needed attitude adjustment on a PvP server. There are plenty of jerks in the game on non-pvp servers in both EQ 1 and 2.
Oh yeah, I'm 37. Not in my teens.

Some of us just like a little extra excitement in the game. If it doesn't interfere with your game play, then why do you care.
Honestly if they don't implement PvP within a few months, I'll have to cancel my EQ 2 subscription and just play EQ 1 from now on. Nothing against the mechanics of EQ 2, but I like the exceitemtn of PvP.

i think a PvP server would be ok IF, and only IF the classes get nerfed on those servers only. Classes will be stronger then other classes, thats how it works in PvE to promote partying...but if PvP comes out, seclude it and its after effects to seperate servers.

That i wouldnt have a problem with

Fine if they give me the option of always declining duels without an annoying pop up then i could live with duels on normal servers.

But PvP and Duels are not the same thing.

I agree with that, and you are right they are not the same thing, but I just meant that I would enjoy either one of those options. Heck I would even be happy if they added the old EQLive Gems game.

Im not complaining about how EQ2 is now, it is a great game, I was just thinking it would be enhanced with those added features, and yes I agree it should be done in a way that doesn't disrupt those who don't want any part of it, but why shut out the entire idea of it all together for everyone? Why tell people "Sorry go to WoW, we don't want your kind around here" rather than opening up a PvP server or two even *shrug* doesn't seem like it would ruin any of your day to me.

just a few comments about this comment lol

1) if they nerf it they should nerf it only in the pvp battle, they wouldnt or shouldnt nerf it out side of pvp

2) even with the above said i do agree they would spend way too much time balancing the pvp and i'd rather them spend time making the "actual" game even better

With the whole 'Good v. Evil' thing, I was really expecting the drive of EQ2 to be TOWARDS PvP, which made me rush my character towards ShadowKnight-hood. Then I found out we couldn't even /duel and was a bit disappointed. My idea:

Instanced 'warzones' in which two opposing raid forces group up at opposite sides and speak to a Supreme Overpowering Commandant of Elemental Destruction (for Freeport) and Big Prissy Foofy-Hat-Wearing Coalition Leader (for you know who). Once the raid is formed and the raid leader tells the Commander he/she is ready , the war begins. 48 people in a locked instance, duking it out. Once you fall in combat, you are booted out of the warzone with your spirit shard (or perhaps with no xp loss since it's pvp combat) and your side loses you for the duration. The team that wins is the team that has the last man or woman standing. Now, to make it interesting, there could be some sort of game wide implementation of a benefit for either side, like if Freeport wins this weeks war (because naturally, Freeport would win every single week...) your 'side' (ie all evil characters based in FP) gets a 10% xp bonus on all kills, or everyone gets cheap items from a certain 'war vendor' vendor with a Queynosian flavor (spoils of war?). Under this system, you could even grant prefix title to those who participate in (and win) and certain number of wars. Win 1 war, become a Foot Soldier, win 25, become a Dragoon, win 50, Warmonger, 125, Battle Master, 300, Completely Lifeless Loser...you get the picture.

I think that PVP under this system would be vastly entertaining, and no one can complain since there are soo many safeguards in place to make sure that if you are there, you want to be PVPing. Also, it wouls serve to make people more receptinve to PVP in general, as there is actually something to lose and gain from a Roleplaying standpoint rather than simple 'pwnage'.

Another crazy idea- give rogue classes the ability to 'scout the terrain' and lay booby traps for the opposing side during or before the battle, give warrior and brute classes the ability to use seige weapons, give summoner classes the ability to summon creatures native to wherever the battle is taking place (IE, the battle takes place in, say, the Lesser Faydark, then necros can summon up some undead faeries...).

No idea how hard all this would be to implement, but I think that this system would be the only PVP system that EVERYONE would enjoy and benefit from.

*applies Flame-screen*

lol um the intelligent targeting would not have to be changed one bit...friendlies (people on same faction/ or in group/raid) targeting works as usual. Enemy/duel opponent = MOB. end of discussion.

Not that it really matters because SONY has stated it won't happen.