cant decide on guardian or berzerker
which one will definatly be the main tank at high lvls
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one is dps the other has high ac and hp.
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which one will definatly be the main tank at high lvls
Umm... both? Along side the brawler and crusader classes. I believe it won't be till the higher levels where the AC difference will shine. Not sure on HP since I haven't researched into the Berserker class... and you can see me at 20. *points to sig*
I do know, from reading the official forums, that Berserkers have more offensive type buffs (note, some drain hp).
I don't mind doing crap for damage so long as I get the warm fuzzy feeling of keeping my group mates alive, so that's why I like Guardian. Besides the roleplay factor, anyway. :/
i want to be guardian but whats the point when berzerkers can tank and do way more dmg and wear the same armor and can use shields
and do guardians actually tank at lvl 30+ or do they just use their "preotect" abilities on the guy tanking?
Edited, Sat Dec 18 00:58:33 2004 by mokuba
and do guardians actually tank at lvl 30+ or do they just use their "preotect" abilities on the guy tanking?
Edited, Sat Dec 18 00:58:33 2004 by mokuba
its about the abilities that the classes get, im guessing that guardians will have a line of defensive abilities that zerkers dont get, im thinking that later on guardians will likely be the MT's bacause of these abilities, much like on eq1 where warriors are used over pally's/sk's on most high end bosses because they have defensive ability.
Of all of the fighter class can tank roughly equal. They all have difference styles though. Mostly their "flavor" abilities.
Each class will be main tank just fine, alot of their specific abilities effect when they are not main tanking.
Berserkers, for example, can go berserk for extra attack, but weaker defense. Without berserk, they tank just as well as a guardian does. But when not main tank they can go berserk and do extra damage. Currently the hate of alot of their abilities is super intense, which makes it hard for them to go berserk without stealing hate.
Guardians are kinda the opposite. Most of their flavor abilities are based around shielding allies from attacks. And if they were tanking, that shouldn't even come into play. Sure there are adds at times, but where the guardians powers really shine is backing up the main tank by boosting their defenses.
As stated many times, each and every fighter can tank. Some people will suck at it, especially brawlers. Brawlers can tank just fine, but beware of those L65 Eq1 monks who are all about DPS and will refuse to tank, or suck hard if they do.
Alot of the fighter flavor abilities were added so that there was a real point in having two or more fighters in a group. Only one will be main tank, and the flavor abilities kick into play for the secondary tank. In this case, it's extra damage for the berserker, or the abilities to buff the main tanks defense for the guardian.
Each class will be main tank just fine, alot of their specific abilities effect when they are not main tanking.
Berserkers, for example, can go berserk for extra attack, but weaker defense. Without berserk, they tank just as well as a guardian does. But when not main tank they can go berserk and do extra damage. Currently the hate of alot of their abilities is super intense, which makes it hard for them to go berserk without stealing hate.
Guardians are kinda the opposite. Most of their flavor abilities are based around shielding allies from attacks. And if they were tanking, that shouldn't even come into play. Sure there are adds at times, but where the guardians powers really shine is backing up the main tank by boosting their defenses.
As stated many times, each and every fighter can tank. Some people will suck at it, especially brawlers. Brawlers can tank just fine, but beware of those L65 Eq1 monks who are all about DPS and will refuse to tank, or suck hard if they do.
Alot of the fighter flavor abilities were added so that there was a real point in having two or more fighters in a group. Only one will be main tank, and the flavor abilities kick into play for the secondary tank. In this case, it's extra damage for the berserker, or the abilities to buff the main tanks defense for the guardian.
then whats the point of being a guardian, if they tank no better than any other fighter than why do the other fighters get atleast decent dps
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cus they get better deffence
they get hardly any more defense and most of it comes from using a shield, but zerkers can use shields too
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Just got EQ2 thinking of going berserk in Freeport any pointers
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It sounds like Guardian will be MT later on in the game. Being as they have the best Defense and considering they keep aggro.
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Just got EQ2 thinking of going berserk in Freeport any pointers
Think I'll go Berserker too.
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Being a lvl 30 Guardian I can tell you they are THE tank for the bibber things. Zerkers and Knights just don't have the damage midigation to be productive at it. Sure they can tank for your ever day grind group. But tanking that name thats 4 or 5 levels higher or single grouping a x2 ^^^ group encouter they wont be doing much of.
Most of what I've been reading supports what Landiin is saying. Except that I have a feeling Knights will be better tanks than Landiin gives them credit for. At least I hope they will. Perhaps different people have varying definitions of what "tanking" is.
To me, the most important attribute of a tank is their ability to stand toe to toe with an enemy and remain the center of that enemy's attention (and survive the fight.)
What I keep reading is that level 20 and below, any of the fighter classes do a fine job of tanking. Even my rogue survives tanking in her mid teens.
Eventually the Guardians (especially) and Pladins/Shadow Knights (to a lesser degree) are going to pull ahead in their ability to withstand the punishment the mobs deal out.
To me, the most important attribute of a tank is their ability to stand toe to toe with an enemy and remain the center of that enemy's attention (and survive the fight.)
What I keep reading is that level 20 and below, any of the fighter classes do a fine job of tanking. Even my rogue survives tanking in her mid teens.
Eventually the Guardians (especially) and Pladins/Shadow Knights (to a lesser degree) are going to pull ahead in their ability to withstand the punishment the mobs deal out.
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Posted: Dec 21 2004 at 3:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There is no difference between a zerk tank or a guardian. Even with the later higher end named mobs. Berserkers have plenty of defense buffs and so far I've had much more AC and HP than gaurdians around my level (32 zerk). Not to mention, when the gaurdian is dying and the healers are OOM, I have to grab the aggro and tank the thing without being cured.....cause zerkers dodge much much more than gaurdians. Especially with say....fury at master 1 or higher. Anytime I'm in a party with a guardian my level, the healer usually asks for zerk tank.
id guess it would be that way otherwise what is the point in the class?
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As the above poster stated, the trick is having more than one tank in the group. A guardian applying his guard abilities to the MT, will make the healer's job all the easier.
Or how about the zerk being main tank since he will pull aggro anyway, and let the guardian guard him.
Or have the guardian be MT, and have the SK DoF (rune) the guardian?
The guardian will likely be the best MT due to their skills that augment the ability. A SK or Zerk could also fill the role, though the healing aspect may need to be a slightly higher quality.
Two tanks is where it is at in EQ2 for the best mix. Swapping intervenes, offering of armaments, ancient pledge, and other abilities will let the secondary tank assist in damage mitigation on the MT.
Any can be MT, and any can assist when ST. Its really a matter of which you want to be most of the time, and a guardian will almost always be MT in any group they are in. Then SK/Pal, then zerk.
My $.02
Or how about the zerk being main tank since he will pull aggro anyway, and let the guardian guard him.
Or have the guardian be MT, and have the SK DoF (rune) the guardian?
The guardian will likely be the best MT due to their skills that augment the ability. A SK or Zerk could also fill the role, though the healing aspect may need to be a slightly higher quality.
Two tanks is where it is at in EQ2 for the best mix. Swapping intervenes, offering of armaments, ancient pledge, and other abilities will let the secondary tank assist in damage mitigation on the MT.
Any can be MT, and any can assist when ST. Its really a matter of which you want to be most of the time, and a guardian will almost always be MT in any group they are in. Then SK/Pal, then zerk.
My $.02
yup idealy there are two tanks..
two healers (druid and shaman seem work well together imo..)
two something elses that deal dmg.
I feel a beserker or other heavy hitter would be better main.. simply helps keep argo. I agree with guardians should be back up tank.. for all that normaly aplies of saving mages, taking add ons.. and their abilities can help main take less dmg even if nothing goes wrong.
two healers (druid and shaman seem work well together imo..)
two something elses that deal dmg.
I feel a beserker or other heavy hitter would be better main.. simply helps keep argo. I agree with guardians should be back up tank.. for all that normaly aplies of saving mages, taking add ons.. and their abilities can help main take less dmg even if nothing goes wrong.
keeping agro is very easy for guardian if you know what your doing especially 30+ or atleast thats what the eq2 boards say
The other thing that wasn't mentioned is Guardians can equip the vanguard armor, I believe zerkers only get standard heavy plate armor.
zerkers get all vanguard
No they don't
they can wear armour called Vanguard but they do not have the skill to wear armour with of the type Vanguard.
I'm a Zerker but the skill on my Vanguard says Heavy, I assume at high level there are some Vanguard skill armours
Also I don't know about guardians being better MT's than us AC and HP is virtually indentical at my level (24) and everyone of my skills seems to increase hate if I was designed to be merely DPS this would be redundant.
Edited, Thu Dec 23 08:49:30 2004 by Wolven
they can wear armour called Vanguard but they do not have the skill to wear armour with of the type Vanguard.
I'm a Zerker but the skill on my Vanguard says Heavy, I assume at high level there are some Vanguard skill armours
Also I don't know about guardians being better MT's than us AC and HP is virtually indentical at my level (24) and everyone of my skills seems to increase hate if I was designed to be merely DPS this would be redundant.
Edited, Thu Dec 23 08:49:30 2004 by Wolven
yeah but the difference would have to open up dramtically
As was mentioned above, I think SOE intends there to be two classes which perform essentially the same task in different ways. Over all, given equal gear, we all from my experience tank very similarly. The only differnce I've seen is accessories - Berzerkers hold agro well, as do guardians, but berzerkers can only hit on the mob and taunt when they lose agro to the cleric whereas, I can just just ally and sentinel, and I'll be tanking the mobs no matter who it chosses to beat on. Guardians stack in that regard.
Bottom line in my opinion though it is equipment that differentiates the guardian and berserker, not class. End gam,eit may be that Berserkers have slightly better weapons, guardians slightly better armor, but they'll both be MAing.
Bottom line in my opinion though it is equipment that differentiates the guardian and berserker, not class. End gam,eit may be that Berserkers have slightly better weapons, guardians slightly better armor, but they'll both be MAing.
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