Maybe interdependance isn't so bad after all-Follow

Odd, the last response did not take, but shows up a minute later. bah.

Afraid I must disagree with you.


The interdependance is not a challenge at all, and has no other effec that I can see other then being annoying.

The big power blocks, all have alts or other support to get around it.

The casual player is the one that gets shafted by this system. You can not casualy play and do much as a crafter. You have to work up your Alchy at the very least to be effective. To me this is a very stupid and intentional development on EQ's part.



Edited, Wed Dec 15 14:15:35 2004 by Corison

I have an alchemy alt, so I have circumvented the system. My guild is independent of the market as we have all the tradeskill classes necessary to be self-sufficient.

We have made the tradeskill system obsolete. I agree, they shoudl do away with interdependence. Keep the crafting methodology but make it like EQ1 where each skill had a separate skill number table, but wasn't capped based on your choice of tradeskill cap.

Corison, I am a casual gamer. But I get lots of fun from just levling up my character once in a while at tradeskills. I mean, unless you play ONCE a month or something, then you really don't have anything to look to, but then again, that's with anything. I guess the reward of leveling a hard-earned level is all the sweeter to me if I really did go out of my way to get it up there.

And yes, Corison, interdependance is an additional obstacle, and additional challenge to leveling up your tradeskills, especially at the higher levels. Ok, that's up to you if you find it annoying, but even jdommer who forms up a guild of tradeskillers finds a way to deal with this adding another player element to the game: cooperation. You're not forced to work alone on your tradeskill, just if you find a person (and yes, a casual player can do this as I have) to look to sometimes to trade some key ingredients tradeskilling is a rewarding and profitable experience that is open to those who really want it.

Ah ok then you are correct. By what you've said then yeah that could be problem. We'll see down the road I guess. It's a shame I'm not on your server, by the way, would've liked to meet you... you seem like a good person.
(Phanayr on Mistmoore).

Mistmoore is also a big one, although for me on the East US Coast the shutdown is 10-10:30 AM. But it does get in the way of selling stuff on weekends.

All i think they need to do is make the basic material refining and parts that are requied for final combines put into a seperate catagory and accessable by all sub classes.

The final items would be class specific but the intermenatries would by all class and that would solve the issue.

More Characters-> More Crafters. You can craft what you need. For example anyone except a provisoner is TOTALY dependent on having an Alchy to make componets for them. Thats in addition to what ever else is required.


So if you play on a low population server, or at the very least you play when the population is low. You are required to have a couple alts to develop the componets you need for your primary. Simply because they don't exist on brokers and there may not be other crafters online to make them for you.

More RL? That is one of the worst arguments I have ever seen for a game. Unless you want Perma-Death after some wild boar eats your character. :) If I wanted to work, I would go to work.

Ah, so if there are not 1,000 other people playing at the exact same time.. You should not be allowed to play? I see how it is.. Thank you for clearing that up. ;)

As I said above, to each their own.. I much prefer to be able to advance and enjoy the game. Working in a group should be more effecient, but I should not have to be in a group to simply play.

I'm in the same boat, but it's not too bad. I enjoy all of those characters and am not in a hurry to level.

I have to agree with dend however because of this interdependance there are less people playing as crafters causing the crafters to have to be self-sufficent which is a huge problem. As soon as more people see its not that hard to actually get the componets from other player they may start. I myself actually love doing skills they provide more income + an extra challenge to the game. If anyone has ever made their own stuff they know what it feels like to replace ur old stuff with stuff that u made =)

Scholar is easy because you can make the much sought after eolith and stroma products. I have a 17.3 Scholar and a 12 Outfitter, Lavastorm BTW. Leveled the Scholar to about 14 solo, then realized the faster way to level was to make new items, other than the jewlery I could make solo. These items were combat runes for scouts and I needed iron spikes. Tada, 4 hours later and i have a lv 10 outfitter ready to hammer them out, and later, make armor for my warrior alt. Still need to make a craftsman for cailun paper and maple quills as the prices for these are about 5s a piece and the app3s they make only net about 10s-15s so i am essentially making them for free :). Also, these prodcuts needed for the scholar level the alt crafter very fast, giving you a kickstart to 20 and your second specialization. However,a non station member can only have 4 chars, so they will be limited by 1 or 2 wanted professions. EX. I would like to go alch, tailor, weaponsmith, armorsmith, but if I do that, I miss out on my paper and quills, jewlery and scrolls, so i either roll up a craftsman, and lose one of my 4, or buy said materials from the market. Station subscribers can make pretty much all of them, cept for one, which if I was to choose would be the carpenter...

Also, people complaining about bots and such decreasing the value of coin, EQ2 has wonderful bleed systems that scale with the value of coin. EX. Broker commisions, NPC wares ( as if coin loses its value, these will be bought do to their relative cheapness, if not the best stats ), *LACK OF PRICE HISTORY*, *NO-OFFLINE SELLING*! Lack of price history is nice because if you do not sell the item for an outrageous price, you will lower it and have to guess at sutiable prices. Lack of offline selling prevents people from continously raising prices as prices tend to peak during the noon hours and plummet at night ( Thank you undercutters :) ) FFXI ( don't hit me ! ) had both these elements and it lead to skyrocketing prices when coupled with bots and gilsellers. Right before i quit, they instituted a system where the fee for auction was a % of the price, which helped bleed some of the gil. EQ2 already has this mechanism and along with the elements mentioned above, the economy will stay nice and healthy!

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