semi-rant about silver and coralFollow

This seems like a dangerous way to think of things, if you believe adept III type spells are for simply being "well equipped" versus "Mygodthatsbadasshowinthehell equipped" you are going to be going insane. Yes saving up some money you gain in game over time to be able to get something expensive that you think will aide the way you play can be nice but getting the expensive items that there will always be should in never be seen as being at all mandatory.

To the poster referring to me being "not wanting to admit money is easy to obtain in EQ2"

Here are a few quotes you may have missed.

What I'm saying is this. Compared to what I'm used to, this is easy for me. I don't have hours and hours typically either, I work and have a real life. BUT, it sure as heck beats - for me- farming for weeks and weeks just to get enough to squeak by.

Notice the key words... Compared to what I am used to, this is easy for me that simply means this is a better system than what I played before on L2 and FFXI, and not riddled with inflation so bad that it is nearly impossible to make enough money to squeak by.





The point I was trying to make is yes, the merchant system could be lots better...BUT if you get too impatient, you will see a repeat of what happened on FFXI. I'm not obsessed with "comparing" the two games, what I am, however, "obessed" with is the fact that a game economy is a complex thing, just like a working real economy. SOE should LEARN from the mistakes set forth by previous MMORPGs and and come up with something better. They have a decent start. Now they just have to implement more.



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Edited, Wed Dec 15 06:06:11 2004 by Ivven

I have to agree that the "free market economy" of EQ2 isn't working so well some days. To ask 17s for 1 vial of eolith temper is absolutely ridiculous (making armor not adepts). However, this will no doubt change for everything but the stuff requiring rare drops. I simply created alt to make the eolith temper and other items i needed so the guys trying to sell for ridiculous prices aren't going to effect me, and I sell my crafted items at VERY reasonable prices, considerably below what others are charging because of this. My greatest success, of course, is 8 slot bags. I see them for 50s and up on the market, while I sell at 30s. If the overall price drops, I will simply drop my price.
For those trying to keep their prices reasonable, keep going, we can eventually take over the market lol. There is profit to be made without being stupid about it.

ouch,

goto Here for a harvest chart. That site also has alot of other info on Artisaning in EQ2.

LOL..this post is so funny, for one thing, if you are buying coral and silver on the broker, you're a moron...Ive never heard of anyone buying rares on the broker..youll see them for like 30 gold each-

you complain about high prices, and the contribute to problem by paying them... If you want to buy coral and silver, go to T Steppes zone, and zone in and out of different antonica zones during prime time, alot of people have them in their banks and don't even know what they are. many of these people have never seen a gold piece in their lives and would be happy to take a gold. I've personally obtained 5-6 ink components this way. Averaging 1.5 gold a piece. Set aside a day and actually go LOOK for coral, if not that day, hey try it the next day... It's not impossible, everyone in my guild has gotten their adept3's this way....

Brokering rares! ROFL! You've got to be joking


For this Ademius fellow.. Hmm..where to begin...Let me start with quoting you here

"No, my complaint is that there are players like myself who, frankly, don't have equal access to the market due to obligations outside the game. We work just as hard as those who do have access to harvest materials and/or craft them into sellable finished products or subcombines. We may even offer them at prices lower than others. But we can't devote hours and hours of time to doing nothing but keeping our stores open. That's what needs fixing."




Some people just never learn... For one, you can trade this stuff into a wholesaler and never broker anything. For another, these items you harvest in high demand(anything but shrubs and fungii) Sell like HOTCAKES, right before your eyes. Ive dumped off 3-4 stacks of each tier 3 resource in an hour.As for the lottery allusion, the majority of money comes from harvesting itsself, but you CAN win the lottery with a rare, yes.


When you harvest in Tsteppes the items you get sell for average of 3 silver a piece, at least 2 silver if you undercut everyone, belladonna, carbonite, ash, pelts, agate, gold clusters...and if you decide to broker them, it doesnt take OVER NIGHT..ive made over 30 gold on the broker and i have NEVER left my comp on overnight.




Go out and harvest all day, and fill your bags. Get a friend, go in luminary Cache in Starcrest. He assigns you wholesaler quest, 15 items, for 48 Silver. By this time your bags are full for TONS of the quests. Have your friend trade you the items the wholesaler asks for 1 at a time, in all six spots however. So in three trade windows you have another 15 items you need for quest. Rinse and repeat. WHen i empty a whole bags harvesting i usually get tons of gold.... 15 items for 48 silver, if you're out there all day filling up your bags..You'll have tons of money

That my friend is how you make money, and if you dont want to waste the time with your friend trading you items for wholesaler quest, just broker them for cheapest price. LIke i said they all sell before your eyes, but youll make less money this way..either way it's not impossible, or even HARD to make money in this game.. you just have to ask around, and try and use a little ingenuity, rather than making long winded whiny posts on messageboards....

I haven't posted on this site since I quit FF long ago i saw this thread here and had to dig up my account info and post im amazed at what im reading... I shouldn't have to post this **** on messageboards for 100s of people to see of how to make money and do things properly, you should ask around yourself, your guild, your friends, and have it done in a discreet manner...I was just too shaken up by this ridiculous complaining to keep quiet

Edited, Wed Dec 15 22:27:40 2004 by Technina

I know you're trying to be clever and sarcastic, but really you're stupid. No players i know use the broker system to buy rares, because they are ridiculously over priced. Why pay 10 gold for silver or coral when you can pay 1 or 2? Why pay 20-30 gold for jasper or palladium when you can pay 5-10? Where is your ultra clever reply for that one?

I'll say it again, go zone into antonica a few times randomly and say you want to buy coral or silver, and youre offering a gold. One time i got two replies simultaneously... If you go in three different zones you're talking potentially 300 people there and not all of them think or believe it's worth 8 gold a piece. I'm not being theoretical, all of my 10-19 spells were/are adept 3, and i never paid those ridiculous prices....not sure how big an impact this information on boards is going to disrupt this, but go try it out. Say even it takes you 3 hours to find it, you saved yourself 7 gold. And i guarantee it takes you more than three hours to get 7 gold. It's not too hard to give it a shot, it worked for me, and it worked for my guild, and many others. Like i said, none of my friends broker rares, its foolish and wasteful. Be resourceful.

"You could spend your time searching all day trying to track one down on someone who has no idea what they have and cheat them out of what they could get, yes."

this strikes a sore nerve. "COULD GET". Could get yes, but is that what it's worth? Worth it how..You tell me how a level 10-19 adept 3 spell is worth 10 gold. ALL of my spells that level are adept 3, and the difference is barely noticable... And the people that harvest these things, are already making money, gathering components, and are generally under level 20. A couple of hours of some sub 20 level players time is not WORTH 10 gold...

It's maybe worth a couple. How do i figure? Well if they were doing something else, they wouldnt make NEARLY as much money. That is why the rares of tier three zones are worth more money, because players of that level could be making more money with their time. And for all of you rushing out to adept3 all of your spells so quickly, i have them all, and i'm not very happy paying 5-6 gold for 20-29, and around 2 gold total for 10-19. I'll cite a couple of examples.

Rash Advance Adept 3 made my Piercing/Slashing skills raise ONE POINT higher than Apprentice 2.

Fancy Footwork Adept3 raised my parry skill ONE POINT higher than Apprentice 3.

Backstab adept3 made my attack higher, yes about 3gold worth higher, not TEN...

basically a damn adept3 10-19 spell is not worth 10 gold, and coral isnt worth 8, and you dont have to pay it.. Let these say what they want to me, but i'll tell you a fact.. no one in my guild has ever paid those kind of prices for coral or silver, and they do exactly what i'm telling you. Coral and Silver not bought on broker will not cost you 5-8 gold. And it dont take all day to make a couple of shouts in different zones to try and find some


Edit: For those of you rushing to adept3 your spells with silver and coral PLEASE go to a skill tree and make sure those skills arent about to be REPLACED.. because i adept3 my quick flurry, rash advance, and backstab, and streetsmarts.. When i was around level 20.. and by level 28, ALL FOUR OF THEM ARE REPLACED. So if you pay these prices people say here, youre flushing 30-40 gold down the toilet. 10-19 skills get replaced in mid 20s

Edited, Wed Dec 15 23:03:49 2004 by Technina

Edited, Wed Dec 15 23:05:55 2004 by Technina

My point here friend is not that it's not rare, but that the smart players would never pay that amount of money regardless. The sportscar allusion is moot because you can't go to a different dealership and pay 50,000 for that F-355 ferrari instead of 200,000.... I'm saying there are smarter ways to get ahold of the item you want. It doesn't take all day either, i never had to look hard to get a chunk of coral for 1-2 gold, just gotta know how/where to ask



Edit: I'm not going to argue anymore i'll leave with this point..If you want coral or silver, DOnt go to the damn broker.. Zone in and out of antonica 1,2,3 and ask, say your price 1-2 gold. This is how me and my guildies, and everyone i know got their coral. And it has never failed. I wasnt even aware people used broker to buy rares, because they cost 3x as much this way. Just becuase some idiot puts Coral up for 5-8 gold on the broker, doesnt mean that's how much it's worth.

Edited, Wed Dec 15 23:27:25 2004 by Technina

as of around 2 weeks ago on Najena, this was how everyone i know got their coral, and no one brokered it. the way i got mine was a shout or auction in all the ants zoning in and out like this

WTB: Rough Coral or SIlver Cluster, paying 1.5 gold each

Or id say paying 1, paying 2, whatever.. if i went out and got one for 2, next time id say 1.... if no one replied for 1, i'd say 2 etc... I'm not sure how much price of it has increased durin these two weeks but it could be substantial

A major part of the issue here was the destruction of the economy due to tradeskillers exploiting {intentionally or not) the high prices given to them by npc merchants for player created items.

Not much was said about this situation, but you may remember the patch a little bit ago where merchants would no longer purchase player crafted items. They do purchace now, but at a level on par with the costs associated with crafting said item.

It's too bad that the economy was ruined by some people, and that internet plat sellers got a leg up on things. When you check the broker for items and NONE are within your financial reach, you need to remember that some people have, in fact, HUNDREDS of gold. (well that would make plat, but you understand)

Frankly I'd rather have a server reset than to go on being the slave to a bunch of billionairs that dont give a damn...

Technina,

I have read your posts. There are a few things you have to remember. Every server is different, on my server pretty much everyone knows now what they can get for coral or silver. So when I shout that I'm looking for it, I don't get it for 1 gold. Sorry to burst your bubble and bring you down a notch from your high horse, but you're not the only person who has figured out that brokering is not the way to go. Nor are you the only one who has figured out how to use the Wholesaler tasks. There is a reason why I rank 4 out 750 in my Wholesaler society.

I have mined countless hours to get it myself and have only gotten one. And repeated shouts in all Antonicas have resulted in nothing, so I'm left with the market system to get it, where all the people who have gotten it know they can get mucho gold for it.

You make me laugh, because as you come on here and call people idiots and morons for doing something a certain way. You fail to realize that you in fact are very lucky to have it the way you do on your server. If having lots of people to dupe into selling you something for less than it's worth can be considered lucky. You are the idiot my friend. Not because you do it your way and it doesn't follow my path, but because I just think you are a jackass.

Now that wasn't very nice of me was it?? To call someone I don't know an idiot. But I have only to judge from your comments on this board and that is the light you shine upon yourself. Don't be so self-righteous, we all come here to share info and learn from each other. And yes sometimes to just ***** and moan about the prices.

Next time don't be such a jerk and maybe read the post some. I'm not sure that you even did read the OP. Cause if you had, being as smart as you are, then you would have realized that I had already done everything I could to get it on my own..

Thank you

Edited, Thu Dec 16 10:15:20 2004 by Jute

so you want to buy a diamond ring which marked $20000 for $1 in real life? since there is no official pricing in the game, everyone can sell anything at any price they want. if you think thats too expensive, dont buy it. or go find a cheaper one. or you can go talk to the seller see if he want to lower his price. or trade some of your items with him.

you cant compare EQII with EQ I. mobs in EQ I drop money(like SandGiants drop 10-20pps each kill). have you ever see any mob drop money in EQ II so far? Im lvl 28 now and I can say I had never saw a mob drop money. and the cash reward from quests are too little.

money is hard in this game, if you are lucky enough to get a super valuable items and you are 99% sure you might not lucky enough to get another piece within half a year, of course you wont just give it out to a stranger. of course you wanna sell all your stuff out at the max price. if you do that, dont blame people who do the same thing as you.