Experience debt is WAY less harsh than EQ live's systemFollow

You know I keep hearing from people that they don't like the xp debt system. People talk about how badly it sucks when some moron dies on the way to your party, and that you take a hit for it. I can understand that part.

What I don't understand is people saying that the original Everquest had a better system for death. Not only did you lose more xp and could delevel, but all of your gear was on your body. If you died where you were the first time with all your gear, many times you just were not strong enough to get that body back.

People counter by saying that with clerics rez you only lost 2% xp. I have to ask those people, did you play at release? There were no 50th level clerics. And the first rez spell was 44th level (ok might have been 49th, its been a while). So for the entire time we were leveling our characters we didn't even have the rez that gave no xp, we had to hoof it back.

I remember many friends quitting in the first few months because the death penalties were so harsh. Sure, once people had cleric mules to log in just for rezzing, and those clerics had their epics death wasn't so bad. But at level 24 dying in the house in unrest was way worse than anything I have seen in EQ2.

I like the xp debt system. I like that everyone becomes responsible for the whole party. I like that the debt is small, and can be worked off quickly. Even better I like that if you wipe you can log off for a few days, and come back with all debt gone.

And for all we know there may be higher level cleric spells that reduce debt. But even if there aren't the penalties are still minor.

By the time most people started playing EQ, the corpse run could actually be fun. But if you played in the first year there was nothing fun about it. Usually it led to more deaths, no one to rez, no one to summon corpses.

And I like that you still have to find your shard. Its reminiscent of the corpse run, without the total neccesity of doing it. I hated not being able to play until I found that corpse.

I agree, I played EQ for a long time and was in several situations where it was almost imposible to get a corpse back, I am much more pleased with the system they made for EQ2. One example of a horrible place to lose a corpse is in PoF, Me and my brother was on a Fennin Ro Raid when he went LD but his toon decided to hang out solo for a while and when my bro logged back he was in the Plane of tranquility naked as the day he was born, but that was later on in the game so it wasant so bad being as there are many necros who was willing to summon but still was a crapy situation lol.

Edited, Sat Dec 11 11:05:34 2004 by vorkarlon

Amen.

I can remember getting so fed up with dying, that I almost quit a few times. And one night, when I was very new, I was sure I had lost my corpse for good in Befallen, because the entire party wiped and no one had a key to get past those doors. Thank god someone found a higher level rogue to help us. (and by higher level, he was probably level 25, lol)

corpse runs made it interesting and all the stuff that went int it like necro summoning and stuff

by the time your 56 on eq1 your almost garenteed a 96% rez so dying didnt really matter anymore

well now anyways

First, a little off subject: Was rezing changed? I could have sworn I used to rez non-grouped when I cam across them about a week after release. The other day, I tried it and..."You are targeting a non-grouped player" O.o

On topic: My only gripe about the xp debt system is that in other games, when you died and lost xp/deleveled, it compelled you to keep playing to at least break even for the day. But in EQ2, if you die a couple of times, it actually rewards you for logging out and quiting for the day, when your debt will decrease in log out time. I don't personally think an RPG should ever reward some one for quiting anything.