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#1 Dec 11 2004 at 5:56 AM Rating: Decent


My friends... I have reached the end of my patience. I love playing EQ but I am so sick of the rude, the unconscious, and the clueless! So I have a plan. I realize this plan will probably leave me with no friends and no help, but honestly I have already reached that point due to stupidity on my part. Regardless I have to live with myself and find a way to at least feel like I have control over who I have to play with.

Here's what I am doing because these are the things I do for others and it really gets me when the courtesy is not returned:

If someone comes over and starts harvesting a node I am already working on with out at least a tell saying " I didn't see you " or " Sorry but I really need this" I am putting them on my ignore list.

If someone takes a mob just as I am attempting to attack it without at least a tell saying something like "Sorry I didn't know you were going for that" I am putting them on my ignore list.

If I ask someone a direct question in any situation during the game and they ignore me or play games by answering indirectly I am putting them on my ignore list. (I find that sometimes people use this tactic during an experience party to avoid answering questions and drag out combat a little longer or to manipulate the group into doing things they don't want to do.)

If I ask a question on one of the EQ2 chat channels and I am treated badly because of my ignorance or my differing opinion I am putting them on my ignore list.

If someone "accidentally" loots when there is some other type of looting agreement made without offering to give up the rewards then I am putting them on my ignore list. (I know accidents happen, but that is easily solved).

If I see others being treated poorly I will speak out and get answers or... /ignoring I will go.

In fact, if someone does >>anything<< that doesn't feel nice to me and it doesn't get resolved after a brief exchange... I am ignoring them.

I realize I may seem a bit touchy, but the more I play MMORPGs the more I realize that rudeness, perceived or otherwise, doesn't have to be part of the game. It really doesn't, at least not without options. I'm sick of it. (My only lament is that I can't use this feature in real life.) I hope you will do the same if you are as bothered by it as I am. (I truly envy those of you who get along well with others consistantly). If you see me doing something that takes away from your fun then /ignore me.

Also, if you find yourself with a contrary opinion on the matter and you are compelled to post a reply to this... please, please, please I beg of you please... post in a way that is warm and caring rather than patronizing or sarcastic.

Last but not least, if you are on my server and already know you don't want to play with me put me on your ignore list to help speed things along. : D



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#2 Dec 11 2004 at 6:00 AM Rating: Default
just quit eq2, never leave your house and have someone deliver your food and stuff

there ya go

no more people you have to socialize with yay

they might not think exactly the way you do

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#3 Dec 11 2004 at 6:11 AM Rating: Decent
"If someone takes a mob just as I am attempting to attack it without at least a tell saying something like "Sorry I didn't know you were going for that" I am putting them on my ignore list. "

Are you on befallen server? If so that was me;)
#4 Dec 11 2004 at 6:12 AM Rating: Decent
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It's a shame that you seem to be having such a bad time, especially on a Roleplaying server (if indeed the problem is happening on Lucan D'Lere as your Signature suggests). Though I can only think of one incident where I was personally affected by a punk, I have seen it happen a lot more than I ever saw it happen in EQ1, in OOC and otherwise.

Seeing that the game is new, it is quite understandable people will ask questions. Yes, I too have seen the same questions over and over. And over. Sometimes in a very short period of time. I do my best, however, to answer these questions, instead of saying things like *google is your best friend* or *why dont you play the game instead of having us play it for you?*. Those two answers are extremely popular on the Blackburrow server. They are sometimes used on these boards, too.

With that said, I don't think you will solve much by /ignoring everyone. If you ignore people who harvest your nodes, they'll still harvest your nodes. If you ignore people who abuse newbies in OOC, they'll still abuse newbies in OOC. Unless they are personally harrassing you in tells, or in another chat channel, they will still be a nuissance to you.

It would be wonderful if the MMORPG market was more friendly. It was, at a time. Least I feel it was back in EQ1s infancy, when ebaying was rare, IGE didn't exist, and there were no celebrity voiceovers for NPCs. However, that time has since passed, and we just have to keep our own personal standards higher than those who wish to ruin it. They will leave in time. They always do. Unless you play Lineage 2 :D
#5 Dec 11 2004 at 6:19 AM Rating: Decent
I am surprised, too! It's like every moment I am interacting with another person in the game I have had something unpleasant happen. I don't get it. I thought it was PMS but this has been going on for weeks! ACK! Maybe I'm pregnant...lmao. Seriously, I just need to find an in-character way of dealing with these people that won't get me banned, then. The /moon gesture is one of my favorites.
#6 Dec 11 2004 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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It's not just you, don't worry :) This is, without a doubt, the worst community of players I have ever seen in an MMORPG (least one I've played). In no one does that mean everyone, and infact, I'm going assume that truly there are more nice, kind, and respectful players out there then the bad. It's just that it seems alot more of them have decided to..well..come out of the wood work, the bad apples.

However, I truly believe (hope!) that within a few months it will settle down, the punks will leave for dead pastures, and let us go about our happy existence. :)

Edit - I forgot to add that this is one of few times I'd personally like some PvP. When someone ticks me off enough..well..sometimes they just need to die :)

Edited, Sat Dec 11 06:25:55 2004 by Stashy
#7 Dec 11 2004 at 6:34 AM Rating: Good
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I love how people treat other people's slights with rudeness, and are so self-righteous that they don't even realize that they are being as rude or ruder than the person who offended them.

I have to agree with Mokube here. Learn to live with others. Unless someone is going out of their way to harass or annoy, its silly to put them on ignore. Its fine to be annoyed. But when you take these things so personally that you feel persecuted enough to put someone on ignore, then I have to think that you are on the paranoid side.

1. Nodes are DESIGNED to be shared. If you don't like it you are in the wrong game. If you refuse to share, then YOU are the one being rude. Sharing is just common courtesy.
2. The only way you can be sure of getting a mob is to actually attack it, and the only way to be sure that someone else wants that mob is if that person actually attacked it. If you don't like it, buy some throwing weapons or a bow. At least in this game (as opposed to eq1), the first person to attack actually locks the mob. If you do not actually attack then too bad. You should have. Don't blame the other guy fro being more assertive than you. I think of this like 4 cars meeting at an intersection, all wanting to make left turns. If eveyrone is as courteous as YOU want them to be, the result is
a traffic jam that will eventually extend itself across the entire nation. You want everyone else to be courteous to you but you do not want to extend the same courtesy to them. Be real.
3. Ok, I agree that there's no excuse for someone to go out of their way to be rude to someone for asking an honest question. Wow I actually agree with you on something. (Still, that person would have to be exceptionally rude for me to put him on ignore).
4. If the loot rules allowed them to loot, then your group leader is the one who made the mistake. You DO know that you can set loot to be leader only, or to be lotto or to be free for all? Don't set it to free-for-all if you don't want people to be looting out of order.

I don't want to offend you or anything but you sound a lot like a religious fundamentalist. Anyone who doesn't live by your personal rules in life is not worth the ground you hover over. Those who see themselves as perfect will never learn anything because they ignore all those they see as inferior. I look at life in a different way -- EVERYONE has something to teach me, so I'm very careful about who I ignore. Everyone is ignorant of most things in this world, but thankfully, we are not all ignorant of the same things.

I strongly recommend you stop seeing yourself as superior to eveyrone else, becuase that's the way to stop learning and growing. -Haldur
#8 Dec 11 2004 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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Though I don't know Celebration personally, I do not believe she is (I assume she is a she, with the PMS comment and all ;) ) a religious fundamentalist. Moreso, I believe she has experienced a ton of crap, has dealt with it, and now has reached her boiling point. So I feel I must touch on some points...mainly because my opinion really doesnt fit either of you twos :)

1.)Nodes. Nodes nodes nodes. I have never seen something so small spark such an insane debate. The whole idea behind the node was a bad one on SoEs part, and I truly wish they had come up with a better system. Personally, when in the newbie zones trying to raise my skill, I came across a few people who came over and harvested a node I was working on. My response was to walk away. A node is a node, it regenerates and I can get another. It's not worth my time getting worked up over.

2.)Going after the same mob is an age old MMORPG problem, and more than likely shall remain til zones are completely single player instanced or group only instanced. I pray that day never comes. The times when we meet head to head on a mob, and I end up locking into it first, I usually send a tell to the other player and apologize..even if it was clearly mine, because I like to avoid bad feelings. If i wanted to tick everyone off, well, I wouldn't play MMORPGs. My goal is to make friends, not enemies.

However, there have also been times when I was clearly about to take a mob, in the process, casting a spell, only to have someone with a faster spell/arrow/sprint come in and snatch the mob away. Thats not particularly nice..but I do what I usually do, i walk away and find another.

3.)I've never directly asked anyone I didn't know a question, so I really don't have an opinion on this. However, I have sent tells to people still, and many say nothing. Oh well, I live :)

4.)I don't group. Whenever I have in an MMORPG, I usually accept no loot. I've never been in the situation in EQ2 where i would of won anything but junk anyways.

5.)When I see others getting treated poorly in OOC, I attempt to defend them, unless they deserve it. Usually I can deflect the retardedness to me, and I'm better at handling it than some :)

The problem is that this game seems to have breeded a new kind of player. One that is not bound by rules (since SoE surely isn't doing a great job of enforcing them), and one that gets his jollies by putting others down. This has happened since..well..forever, I know this. But in EQ2 it is alot more visible because of the lack of on-call GMs. Ones that come out and stop the madness.

Maybe times have also changed in the last 5 to 7 years so much that others are ultra sensative. I really dont know. However, fighting about it and taking it personal on these boards is not going to help make the game a better place to play. We as the players need to keep the standards high. We don't need to try to enforce our own lil ettique rules on others, and we also dont need to go running around without any restraint, terrorizing the masses for fun.

I want to see EverQuest 2 become the most popular of the next-gen MMORPGs. I want to see it have another 7 bloody expansions with insane amount of content. I want to see flying treants and sea-parting spells (okay, we prolly wont get that :) ), but it will never happen if we as the player base hate each other, ignore each other, or generally flame each other into the pits. Never.

Edited, Sat Dec 11 22:05:10 2004 by Stashy
#9 Dec 11 2004 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Sigh, as right as you are...your going to be so lonely. Youll in the end ignore your entire server because everyone slips up or has a bad day once in awhile. I do admire your will especially if you go through with it to the end. Id disagree with some of your points but, alas itd do nothing but start a flame fest from others and I dont want that.


If its really getting under your skin that much, take a break for awhile and unwhined. Ive been on a hiatus for about a week now and I feel much better (multiple reasons for the break). Who knows it might do you some good too, just a suggestion though. 8)


Anyway, good luck on what ever path you choose. 8)
#10 Dec 11 2004 at 7:45 AM Rating: Default
The one thing that pisses me off is when a group is formed to accomplish somrthing for each member of the group that can only be done with a group and then one person gets what they need and everyone else hasn't and that person leaves. They just say, "***** everybody else I got what *I* needed - bye".

I am at a point where I always go first. I will not settle for being second to get an item because I am the only person I trust to not bail when I've gotten the things I need.

#11 Dec 11 2004 at 9:51 AM Rating: Decent
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<chuckle> I felt very similar about a week or so ago. I have to say that the one thing that I have done to greatly improve the level of enjoyment I get out of this game and drasticly reduce the level of stress is to get into a good guild.

I think this game is more guild oriented than anything I have ever played before. I have an ignore list and probablly not the smallest one either. On the other hand I also have a friends list and that can be the best tool you will ever use. A good guild can add many wonderful new players to your friends list.
#12 Dec 11 2004 at 10:44 AM Rating: Decent
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If I ask someone a direct question in any situation during the game and they ignore me or play games by answering indirectly I am putting them on my ignore list.


How long has it been my job to make up for your ignorance?

Personally I help people but there are so many questions, frequently the same ones that it is inevitable that people get fed up with answering them. When you have been in Antonica for as much as oooh 10 minutes and heard the 12th "Where is Hwal Rucksif" you stop answering (or put it on a hotkey).

The world does not revolve around you and yoour needs and someone not answering is not deserving of ignore. If they are rude then perhaps. If they are attempting humour then possibly ignore is an act of self defense (as in Q:"Where do I find Red-tailed Hawks?" A:"In the air")
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#13 Dec 11 2004 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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How long has it been my job to make up for your ignorance?

Personally I help people but there are so many questions, frequently the same ones that it is inevitable that people get fed up with answering them. When you have been in Antonica for as much as oooh 10 minutes and heard the 12th "Where is Hwal Rucksif" you stop answering (or put it on a hotkey).

The world does not revolve around you and yoour needs and someone not answering is not deserving of ignore. If they are rude then perhaps. If they are attempting humour then possibly ignore is an act of self defense (as in Q:"Where do I find Red-tailed Hawks?" A:"In the air")

This is true as well, I swear I'm going to sit in nektulos tonight and /ooc: charging 50 silver to guide people to the docks, the falls , netropos castle and anywhere else you can't find on your own PST.
#14 Dec 11 2004 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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Cute. Just cute. Did anyone else read the OPs other thread about the guild they want to make? Its a guild for those who like to solo.

So basically the OP is terribly antisocial, and incredibly sensitive. Ignoring someone for not asking a question? Ignoring party members?

What do you plan to do at the higher levels when you have everyone on ignore, and need their help for access quests? More importantly, why play a game that requires interaction with others when clearly you don't like that?

Perhaps you would find WoW more enjoyable as you can solo through the whole game?
#15 Dec 11 2004 at 1:05 PM Rating: Default
hmmm in eq2 i havent seen any rude people
#16 Dec 11 2004 at 8:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Dont worry mokuba theyre there just like in every other game. Youve just been lucky enough not to run into them.
#17 Dec 11 2004 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I've met plenty of rude people on Lucan D'Lere. And all I went there for was to RP my characters :( and there's hardly ever RP going on, sometimes there is, but more often there's just...not, lol. I've met some great people on that server already, and my share of asshats too.

Well, people can and will do what they want, but here are my common rules I keep for myself:

1) If I see someone on a harvest node, even just standing near it...I go find another. Yes, share share share... to me, that means "you get this node, and I'll go find another" that's sharing. Running up and bogarting on the other dude's node is not sharing. It's greed.

2) If you see someone pulling out their sword or knife or whatever to attack a mob, just...let them have the mob. Avoid conflict. There are plenty of mobs to pull without the ganking and camping I've seen in so many other MMORPG's. I had this happen in the sewers as Kaitar when I was doing a quest. Needed one more darkblade, had my knives out, was just hitting the first swing and a dark elf Cleric nuked it before I could hit. And she was smug about it. Did I get ticked off? Yep. All I can say is it's a good thing Kaitar was speaking Sebilisian at the moment ^^;;;;; Don't steal mobs if you see someone else getting ready to attack them.

3) If someone asks a question, and you know the answer and it's a viable question, try to answer it. Make a new friend, heck... might be the best player you ever knew and will help you out in the future. Now, if someone keeps spamming the question, or it was answered and they weren't paying attention... then *shrug* I may or may not answer.

I ran into a situation today, about 5 people in a row asking "where is this, where is that" in the Common Lands. They were answered with general directions... but I also added "part of the goal of this game is to discover things for yourself and explore" "That's a waste of time" "...in an online game that will be running for years, I don't see how it's a waste of time to explore places ...."

4) In a group, be polite to your group members, don't loot and if you do, ask if someone needs it or let them know before hand that you need a particular item. If you loot on accident there's a really simple solution that makes it fair /random 500

5) Don't get into a group, and then start spamming how you need to kill xx mobs for this or that quest...especially if they are no exp mobs. Ask first, don't start demanding. Most people are willing to help you with a quest as long as there is some benefit for them as well - maybe they have the quest, or maybe the mobs have nice drops, or whatever - but don't bug and pester about it if the answer is "we want to go exp instead right now"

6) Just because you RP an evil bastid, and are from Freeport, does NOT give you the right to be a jerk in /ooc chat, and then claim it's in the name of RP. Bullcrap. Keep RP where RP is intended, keep /ooc respectful. I don't want to here why you hate so-and-so, I don't want to hear how drunk or stoned you are, I don't want to listen to you swear and cuss and call everyone "***" or "n00b" because you got slighted somehow. The /ooc is a place to ask questions, maybe toss in a little game comment or even a joke or two now and then, but not a place to bring bad attitude and immaturity into the game.

#18 Dec 12 2004 at 2:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Haldur wrote:
1. Nodes are DESIGNED to be shared. If you don't like it you are in the wrong game. If you refuse to share, then YOU are the one being rude. Sharing is just common courtesy.

-Haldur


I can't understand how people can say that nodes are DESIGNED to be shared! The fact that they don't lock is IMHO due to the fact that they don't decay if they aren't fully harvested. Meaning that if you harvest on a node and get something on the first try and then walk away, that node would be locked and no one else could touch it. That is why I feel that they are not locked. Not to make them shareable by more than one person at a time. If someone is harvesting a node, I feel that it is rude to come and steal (harvest) the node at the same time. Using your reasoning that nodes are disigned to be shared because they aren't locked when harvested like mobs are, then in a game like EQ where mobs weren't locked when you attacked them, there could be no such thing as Kill Stealing because the mobs were obviously designed to be shared in that they weren't locked. Can you see the faulty reasoning there?

Bottom line is harvesting a node someone else is already harvesting is rude and discourteous. IMHO anyway.
#19 Dec 12 2004 at 5:27 AM Rating: Good
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Please dont start another debate about nodes. Im so sick of hearing about why or why not they should or shouldnt be shared. Please dont degenerate it into another one of those threads, theres already like 40 of them.

Thank you.

*no offense to anyone who brought it up*
#20 Dec 12 2004 at 6:05 AM Rating: Default
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I've met plenty of rude people on Lucan D'Lere. And all I went there for was to RP my characters :( and there's hardly ever RP going on, sometimes there is, but more often there's just...not, lol. I've met some great people on that server already, and my share of asshats too.


I try to RP but as George Bush would say, "It's hard work. It's HARD".

You can talk down to a troll and the only thing you get in return is a guy speaking proper english and smiling back at you. We got Iksar sssaying eeevery thing likesss disss, but being the most polite people you'd ever come across. There was more roleplay in FFXI.
#21 Dec 12 2004 at 7:20 AM Rating: Decent
I play in the Najena server and so far you have the little deals where someone comes up and harvest something that you started to harvest first or attacks something you was aobut to attack but I havent had it happen on a reagular bases that it would make me POed.

As far as asking questions, I was just playing about an hour ago and I asked 3-4 Duh noobie questions and I got answered, might be the way your asking them, I see questions beging asked all the time and there has always been someone to answer them and not making rude comments but being helpfull.
#22 Dec 12 2004 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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You have become better at ignoring! (132) It will take more effort to hit /ignore xyz than to actually just let it go. I applaud your organization and plan, it's well thought out. And if you are a fundamentalist, I applaud that especiually.
#23 Dec 12 2004 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
I never thought twice about sharing a node with someone else. I figure that if SOE didn't mean for people to share, they would lock the node as soon as someone started harvesting. It never crossed my mind to get angry at someone who came over and started harvesting "my" node.

Also, if I'm in an area killing mobs and notice that someone else is killing the same mobs, I find it helpful to invite them to a group. That way we both win by becoming more efficient.

Looting agreements are BS. The leader sets the loot style to lotto and everyone gets a shot at the loot. Anything else is just asking for trouble.

About the only thing I don't tolerate is drama. So, if your the type who starts whining about every little thing, expect to get booted from the group.

I've been playing EQ for 5 years and have never placed anyone on ignore. Xeather would be my first, if I played on the Lucan DLere server. I don't need that kind of drama in a game.
#24 Dec 12 2004 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I see dozens of rude people daily. I can understand the frustration. I love the game but hate what seems to be half the community. But do I /ignore? Do I throw RL tantrums? Of course not! (well, maybe a few tantrums...) I know from experience that sometimes those annoying and rude people could just be curious, confused, or even lonely begging for attention. I created a linkshell back in FFXI and recruited only the "misfits" I came across. While I hated them at first, I grew to love all those kiddies! Together we learned and grew.

So many times I've been asked if I needed a particular looted item in EQ2 and whenever I've needed it: "how much you got?" is the reply. In groups, I freely give the items to whomever needs it. Be it crafting books or Adept spells. I get upset, sure, but I don't /ignore them. And at least a couple times I've wound up helping those who didn't help me.


Having said all this, I'd like to formally place a whine of my own! >.<
Why o why did my guild of 4 people kick me out while I was offline!?! One of the Leaders was my only in-game-friend (or so I thought). I sent a couple /tell to the Leader asking what had happened; knowing I never did the guild wrong as I never even got the chance to help out or even group with them. The /tells were never replied to.

Do I /ignore this person? Nope. Nor any other member of the guild. They were ultimately good people. I wish them the best!

I hope everyone learns to take time out to help one another. Not everyone will ever get along, but we can at least be kind and tolerate each other.



~side note~ Soloing can become lonely. I know I enjoy guild or channel chat when soloing. Presently I know virtually noone in EQ2. Nor am I in a guild. But anyone is welcome to join lonely me in a chat channel any time! I can always talk up a storm!



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#25 Dec 12 2004 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I think the OP will run out of room on his ignore list long before he learns to be social and give and take in this game.
I wonder how he handles this in real life?
This thought kind of scares me.
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#26 Dec 12 2004 at 2:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Man, that's got to be rough. What do you go around raiding zones for no good reason?

Edited, Sun Dec 12 14:58:33 2004 by jakstrw
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