Doesn't it just drive you insane that EQ2 is not exactly like <insert MMORG game here> that you used to play? I mean, you used to be able to do <insert whatever here> when you were playing the old game, but EQ2 won't let you do the same thing or does it differently. Why couldn't they make it just like the last game? Oh, maybe the fact that it is a new game would explain why it is different. Come on people, if you want to complain about things, fine, but don't use how it was done in another game as justification for why it is messed up in this one. If you like the old one so much then go back to it, but don't expect this to be a clone of it.
Sorry about the rant, but it does get tiresome reading all the posts about how it was sooooo much better in whatever.
Have a good day.
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Yay! If I could rate you up right now.. I would.
Well people don't want to admit that this is a NEW game. Things aren't going to be different, and I agree...if you don't like it, it's ok... but don't make a big stink about it. Just go back to what you like. *shrug*
Aye. Its way to common to see those kinds of posts. Ivven hit the nail on the head, they dont want to admit that its a new game. If they liked the other game so much why are they here?
Aye, anyway rateup for DRH, you earned it.
Aye, anyway rateup for DRH, you earned it.
Yes it's a new game.
However it stand or falls by comparison with the competition. It is relevant to an appraisal of EQ2 to compare it with it's predecessors.
There are many things that one might have expected SoE to have learned that they quite evidently have not.
For example a year ago the EQ economy was crashed by setting wrong prices for NPC to buy crafted items. They had to do a lot to stem the influx of cash. Yet here we are with a new project and the same mistake.
If all people want to do is whine then I tend to agree with the OP but there is a lot of room for constructive comparisons.
However it stand or falls by comparison with the competition. It is relevant to an appraisal of EQ2 to compare it with it's predecessors.
There are many things that one might have expected SoE to have learned that they quite evidently have not.
For example a year ago the EQ economy was crashed by setting wrong prices for NPC to buy crafted items. They had to do a lot to stem the influx of cash. Yet here we are with a new project and the same mistake.
If all people want to do is whine then I tend to agree with the OP but there is a lot of room for constructive comparisons.
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However it stand or falls by comparison with the competition. It is relevant to an appraisal of EQ2 to compare it with it's predecessors.
There are many things that one might have expected SoE to have learned that they quite evidently have not.
For example a year ago the EQ economy was crashed by setting wrong prices for NPC to buy crafted items. They had to do a lot to stem the influx of cash. Yet here we are with a new project and the same mistake.
If all people want to do is whine then I tend to agree with the OP but there is a lot of room for constructive comparisons.
There are many things that one might have expected SoE to have learned that they quite evidently have not.
For example a year ago the EQ economy was crashed by setting wrong prices for NPC to buy crafted items. They had to do a lot to stem the influx of cash. Yet here we are with a new project and the same mistake.
If all people want to do is whine then I tend to agree with the OP but there is a lot of room for constructive comparisons.
This is true, however, there are at least 2 threads a day started on what game is better and what I liked better about x game. At the same time some good threads are getting lost in the mix and sentenced to death on page 5 before they even take off.
Now we are right back to the whole issue of desperately needing to break up the forums into at least 2 or 3 sections. We could even have a section for comparing different games to each other regardless of what speciffic game forum we are currently on (cough)https://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=22 (cough) I've already dug up the "Time ot break up the forums" thread twice now , it's someone elses turn.
Rate up for jakstrew. Ill go dig it up.
Edited, Sat Dec 11 20:31:29 2004 by WasteOfSpace
Edited, Sat Dec 11 20:31:29 2004 by WasteOfSpace
I totally agree with JS on that. Yes, it has flaws. Most games do, and we all know what we like and don't like by now... but really, if you hate it so much, just quit the game. That's what I do to games I don't have fun with. Doesn't mean the game is bad, just means it's not your thing, so why bash the game when others enjoy it? It's your right to not like it, but it's our right to enjoy it. Constructive critisism is a good thing, all out flaming is not.
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Cobra101 wrote:
Yes it's a new game.
However it stand or falls by comparison with the competition. It is relevant to an appraisal of EQ2 to compare it with it's predecessors.
There are many things that one might have expected SoE to have learned that they quite evidently have not.
For example a year ago the EQ economy was crashed by setting wrong prices for NPC to buy crafted items. They had to do a lot to stem the influx of cash. Yet here we are with a new project and the same mistake.
If all people want to do is whine then I tend to agree with the OP but there is a lot of room for constructive comparisons.
However it stand or falls by comparison with the competition. It is relevant to an appraisal of EQ2 to compare it with it's predecessors.
There are many things that one might have expected SoE to have learned that they quite evidently have not.
For example a year ago the EQ economy was crashed by setting wrong prices for NPC to buy crafted items. They had to do a lot to stem the influx of cash. Yet here we are with a new project and the same mistake.
If all people want to do is whine then I tend to agree with the OP but there is a lot of room for constructive comparisons.
That is exactly my point. This is not game X so it is not the same as game X. If you wish to use game X as a comparison, fine, but don't say EQ2 is nerfed of screwed up because you can't do in it what you can do in game X. Saying "I wish we could do <whatever> in EQ2 like you can do in game X cause it is a neat aspect" is perfectly alright. Constructive. The other is just whining and getting extremely repetitive and boring.
Edited, Sun Dec 12 02:12:00 2004 by DRHKerr
Edited, Sun Dec 12 02:13:04 2004 by DRHKerr
Ah Hell . . .
Part of the fun of an online game is to ***** about it . . .
I doubt very very seriously that any of you posting here and saying, "Don't ***** about it." have followed your own advice. I really doubt it.
Now you can carry it to extremes too - going about in a zone screaming and yelling in either /ooc or /shout and not pitching your ***** (/ooc only) and then shutting up about it is not ok.
I swing from one side to the other . . . days I am ready to take all 10 disks and my account and trash them - damn near did once, and other days I laugh at the ******** and tell em to get over it . . .
Mooska, Barbarian Crusader
Paladin Specialist, Shadow Slayers guild
Part of the fun of an online game is to ***** about it . . .
I doubt very very seriously that any of you posting here and saying, "Don't ***** about it." have followed your own advice. I really doubt it.
Now you can carry it to extremes too - going about in a zone screaming and yelling in either /ooc or /shout and not pitching your ***** (/ooc only) and then shutting up about it is not ok.
I swing from one side to the other . . . days I am ready to take all 10 disks and my account and trash them - damn near did once, and other days I laugh at the ******** and tell em to get over it . . .
Mooska, Barbarian Crusader
Paladin Specialist, Shadow Slayers guild
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What next, a ratings thread for rating rated threads?
I'm going to disagree here.
Is it really all that new? Or is it just the latest in a long line of graphical MMORPGS that dates back to the 80s?
As someone in the PRON industry once said, "We've survived by making "Deep Throat" and 1,000,000 sequels."
We're all paying customers. Paying that $13/month (or whatever) gives us not only the right but the responsibility to call attention to what we don't like as well as to point out what we do like. If I don't like, for instance, the Crafting and Merchant system (and I don't or, at least, I think it could be made far, far better), then I have the right and the duty to express myself, whether it be by posting in the Forum here and/or by sending feedback directly to SoE (and I've done both). If others feel the same as me -or disagree with me for that matter- then they can and should voice their opinions wherever and however they choose. If that means multiple threads along the same lines, so be it. A MOD can delete the duplicates if he/she sees fit, but I see no reason to stifle people's opinions.
A Ferrari is a direct decendant of Henry Ford's Model T. So too, in alot of ways, EQ is just the latest incarnation of Ultima or Neverwinter Nights or any of the other MMORPGs of the last 20 years. The general goals- get more powerful- is the same. The ways to achieve this might've been modified and expanded, but they still boil down to hack and slash and quest. Sure, it might look better (and it unquestionably does) but just because something looks better doesn't necessarily mean it is better. Or that it couldn't be made better.
My biggest single gripe about SoE is that they really treat their customers like *****. Customer service is almost an alien concept to them. It's their game, by God, and they know best. They make arbitrary decisions (witness the crafter fiasco) and don't even begin to consider the consequences of such a dramatic change rather than target a necessary fix to the handful of people and instances wherein the bug actually applies. They totally refuse to consider changes suggested in good faith and well-reasoned by their customers. They look at what, 700,000 subscribers and think that, with all that revenue, we can't be doing anything wrong. That's an attitude that generally leads to disaster, though, with the competition being what it is, that's not a likely outcome in this case.
Is it really all that new? Or is it just the latest in a long line of graphical MMORPGS that dates back to the 80s?
As someone in the PRON industry once said, "We've survived by making "Deep Throat" and 1,000,000 sequels."
We're all paying customers. Paying that $13/month (or whatever) gives us not only the right but the responsibility to call attention to what we don't like as well as to point out what we do like. If I don't like, for instance, the Crafting and Merchant system (and I don't or, at least, I think it could be made far, far better), then I have the right and the duty to express myself, whether it be by posting in the Forum here and/or by sending feedback directly to SoE (and I've done both). If others feel the same as me -or disagree with me for that matter- then they can and should voice their opinions wherever and however they choose. If that means multiple threads along the same lines, so be it. A MOD can delete the duplicates if he/she sees fit, but I see no reason to stifle people's opinions.
A Ferrari is a direct decendant of Henry Ford's Model T. So too, in alot of ways, EQ is just the latest incarnation of Ultima or Neverwinter Nights or any of the other MMORPGs of the last 20 years. The general goals- get more powerful- is the same. The ways to achieve this might've been modified and expanded, but they still boil down to hack and slash and quest. Sure, it might look better (and it unquestionably does) but just because something looks better doesn't necessarily mean it is better. Or that it couldn't be made better.
My biggest single gripe about SoE is that they really treat their customers like *****. Customer service is almost an alien concept to them. It's their game, by God, and they know best. They make arbitrary decisions (witness the crafter fiasco) and don't even begin to consider the consequences of such a dramatic change rather than target a necessary fix to the handful of people and instances wherein the bug actually applies. They totally refuse to consider changes suggested in good faith and well-reasoned by their customers. They look at what, 700,000 subscribers and think that, with all that revenue, we can't be doing anything wrong. That's an attitude that generally leads to disaster, though, with the competition being what it is, that's not a likely outcome in this case.
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I agree with both the OP and Adiemus.
Coming from FFXI *shudder* this game seems to solve nearly every gripe I have had with my former game of choice. That definately doesn't mean that I have become an EQ2 fanboy that will kiss SOE's butt at every step of the way if they ***** something up.
This forum is not only around to share EQ2 tips, it is also around for the players to voice their opinions and gripes about a fantastic game that of course (like any game) is not perfect. Rate up to both sides of the fence because these discussions bring about change in games this early on.
Coming from FFXI *shudder* this game seems to solve nearly every gripe I have had with my former game of choice. That definately doesn't mean that I have become an EQ2 fanboy that will kiss SOE's butt at every step of the way if they ***** something up.
This forum is not only around to share EQ2 tips, it is also around for the players to voice their opinions and gripes about a fantastic game that of course (like any game) is not perfect. Rate up to both sides of the fence because these discussions bring about change in games this early on.
I agree with the OP but it's human nature to compare things. If people like their last MMORPG then they'd expect they can find these elements in the new game because new games should learn from old games and incorporate them into the new game. For example if they like the idea of a perfect party or offline selling then they'd expect to see this in every new MMORPG because that's what it makes their last game so great. I'm not saying they are wrong but they simply can't see the light of exploring new ideas and trying new things.
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OK, time for a little clarification here. I never said comparison for the purpose of improving the game, or complaining about something that is broken is wrong. What I am tired of is people saying the game is broken because you can't do S that you could do in game Y. This is different from saying, "Gee I wish we could do X like you can do in game Y". Can you understand the difference? One is bashing and the other is constructive/wishful comment/suggestion.
Carry on with the discussion.
Carry on with the discussion.
The major problem is, is that every gripe has been covered on 50 different threads already. Do we really need more? Thats what gets me. How many times are we going to see "Player selling was better in....."? Theres like 30 of these threads dealing with comparisons to 3 different games (EQLive, WoW, FFXI) on the same friggin subject. Thats the bottom line, to much of the same thing.
*"Customer service? What the hell is a customer? Or do you mean the cattle?" Thats about how it seems to pan out with SoE on customer service they treat us like cattle in a pasture. As long as theres grass out there were fine. Theyll learn someday.*
*"Customer service? What the hell is a customer? Or do you mean the cattle?" Thats about how it seems to pan out with SoE on customer service they treat us like cattle in a pasture. As long as theres grass out there were fine. Theyll learn someday.*
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