Another kick in the nuts for the craftersFollow

This is such a typical 'easy way out' kind of solution - just the kind you expect SOE to take.

Fortunately, no one who plays their games expects pleasant surprises each patch day, so no one is disappointed with each smack in the face.

I just got to level 10 outfitter. :( I want to quit so bad right now. This is starting to make FFXI actually look good to me again. /cry Sony say it ain't so!

unfortunately, some of us from other games who switched to this one aren't too use to being "smacked in the face" ... so they're going to keep the game going for 5+ years by not letting us earn our hard earned money back from our crafting sessions?! It does take money to craft. Considering I can't even sell my goblin meat to a merchant (what crafting use is that anyways? it's not in any of my books). How am I suppose to get money now? Chest items? ... how many times do those drop? ... to tell you the truth, the game's beginning to not be the awesome game it was when it came out. Wonder if they'd actually FIX anything we've petitioned for?

It does seem rather harsh to take that out. I agree with Nadenu. There are not going to be many players who wish to buy first attempt items in the broker system, when you can save up just a bit more and buy something better. Plus, with so many crafters out there the economy will take a nosedive with so many traders trying to sell all their attempts.

I've not tried much crafting.. but honestly this makes me not want to bother unless it's something for myself.

Being unable to sell to vendors and having to stand in your house to sell anything at all is just too much hassle.

so my crafting will be limited to things I can use for myself like bags or spells.

I think you mean "until they can work out consistent loss NPC pricing".

The thread linked has some critical points in it. People need to make 100s even 1000s of combines to skill up and be able to craft pristine goods that players will buy. What are you supposed to do with 27 crude elm beds you made in the process of making 1 pristine elm bed?

Bah SOE.

Perhaps if we buy the all access subscription, they will allow those special customers to sell to NPCs?

You could start a bawdy house.

Good to hear that this is only a temporary hitch. Of course, I don't currently do any merchant selling right now in the mid-teens level of being an outfitter (good Exp and Money off Backpacks, paddings, etc.) but I know in the beginning I relied on break even merchant selling on Tin Bars and other low level craftables. I'm sure it'll come around again. After reading the response, it actually sounds like SoE really thought it through, and their intentions are for the best as far as kickstarting a player-to-player economy. Right now prices are still critically flawed on my server, with certain items ranging from 60cp to 50sp between different sellers. Hopefully through more player-to-player marketing we can stabilize it a little bit. So personally, I don't mind a temporary adjustment.

However, it will be a kick in the balls during those grinding periods when you've made way too many Iron Rings to do anything with and need to sell them off. I hope the prices don't reflect too poorly as far as a close to break-even situation goes. I know it was certainly nice breaking even on Tin items as to not lose anything while grinding. Although, I guess we've still got it kinda good since each server has a handful of dedicated crafters doing the brunt of the work and trying to stabilize the economy, already ahead of the game. Good on ya, everyone ^^

People are throwing out some good replies at the station forum...I really hope they listen...It's a pain to have to be afk in your room to sell things...that fact, IMO, really hurts the player to player market...We ought to be able to give our items to a broker and have him sell them for a small fee...just collect our profit when we're done...

I'm only a 15 outfitter...I get 1s back for T2 combines which require 1 iron, 2 temper, 2 coal...iron averages 30-80cp, temper 30-200cp, and the coal is 12cp...even at the absolute cheapest I'm at a net loss of 2cp when selling to an NPC, and typically a greater loss than that...I'll be pissed if they lower that price - I feel that it's totally reasonable where its at...I can't speak for the profits being made at higher levels, but I certanily hope they put some thought and time into upcoming patches...

Ya. While the backlash at this by the community has been pretty severe, they have to understand it's been a long time coming. Crafting is severely borked in this game and if you read through the tradeskill forums, you'll see nothing but the same complaints over and over again.

The lack of communication between the tradeskill devs and the community is what caused this backlash.

I think the problem was that Tier5 Provisioners were selling their combines for 65s to merchants. There are now players running around with 500p. I even heard of players having 850+p through doing this.

I don't have a problem if 1 player made item sells for 65s but it should cost around the same or more to make. I personally believe that crafting shold cost you money while you level up and not break even or give you profit.

The profit should come from items other players need and not from level up items.

For the record, I don't agree with what SOE has done because it punishes all players. They should have known of this issue before the game was released.

I sometimes wish Beta testers were not allowed to play the game until a month after release. Some of them hide certain bugs in order to exploit them later. I mean seriously, who would think of power leveling a chef when most players have no idea what food really does? Its not like food is selling like crazy to other players. They had to be aware of this exploit before release.

And now I, like SOE, wish to punish the beta testers for the sins of a few. So what can we do?

Exactly, if you examine the stats at http://eq2.strobe.org/ you'll see that there are more lvl 40+ provisioners than all the other types combined. It's pretty easy to spot this as a problem with:

#1) Provisoners

#2) Macro's

Rather than treat the specific problem, they chose to chop the whole arm off.

I don't think they will do anything they were not plannin g to in response to a massive protest. SOE will do what they always do.....add an expansion.