Old school EQ players are hatersFollow

They where just mad cause their game was officially obsolete and slowly dying.

Those are the people that can't accept the fact that its just a game. Dropping a character should be nothing more then finding a new interest somewhere else.

Those players are upset cause the fanbase they have was going away. Its not easy to look like an uber-twink-badass-snert guy if everyone but the uber-twink-badass-snert guys leave the game.

broad generalizations are usually a bad thing.

i'm a longtime eq player, and still have eq accts and even omgomg play it once awhile.

i now play eq2 most of the time, with touches of eq, wow, gw, coh, and whatever else i feel like playing thrown in.

/ranton
i'm losing my patience with people that have to request aid from others in validating their decisions to play particular games. each game has its own merits, and there is no reason to get out the measuring tape or have a contest to see who can flame whom in the most witty way, solely because "i play the best game and you suxxors cuz you got no brains and chose the one that bites."

if you are going to discuss the merits of a game, that's fine.

if you are going to *compare* games, that's fine, too.

if you are going to yammer drivel solely for the purpose of slamming a game you don't like, or players for choosing it, you can bugger off.
/rantoff

y'all have a spiffy day :).

I still playn them both. They're different, and for me playing the same game all the time gets monotonous and boring. I like having some variety.

I played EQ off and on for 5 years.. loved it the whole time, never did have any big complaints about it. it was a great game and I really didn't plan to pick up EQ2. However, when EQ2 arrived in my store I almost immediately picked it up, and so did a few of my friends. I haven't logged into EQ1 since, not that it's a bad game, but as a previous poster said, it's simply a matter of something else taking my interest away.

EQ2 rocks, so many things are improved:

- Quest item auto-loot.. no more fighting over the drops
- Encounter locks.. no more KS'ing
- Quests are fun, productive, generally rewarding and the journal means not needing a pile of paper scraps all over my desk..
- get invited to a group from across the zone and you can target a group member and see where they are even through hills and trees.. better than having to wait for an escort to come get you if you're not familiar with a new zone
- no more getting killed by trains (so far) trains just seem to wander back to their home point before becoming aggro again
- fresh economy (nuff said)
- clerics can finally kick some ***
- fast hectic combat in groups.. don't remember ever being able to handle 12 mobs at a time in EQ1 with a single group and no crowd control, but we did it the other night, talk about fun!

Don't get me wrong though, it does have it's negative aspects.. group exp debt when yer not even near your group yet, sucks.. and a lot of the game seems to be overall... pussified.. for lack of a better word. The new con system makes things so predictable.. up arrows, down arrows, etc.. hardly any guessing as to whether you can take a mob down or not. The higher end content may be different of course, I'm only 18 so far.

The armor & spell /con system is a mixed blessing IMO.. but so far it seems to work.

Hmmm... well.. sitting here at work I can't think of anything else I -don't- like about this game.. so there you have it, an EQ vet with a positive outlook on EQ2 =)

my reply was only directed to those pointedly referred to within it. i apologize for not making that more clear :).

if it fits, then there ya go. if not, snicker and point at the people that it describes ;).

i was in a ranting mood and this is where the post landed :x.

i do take issue with your subject line, and the broad generalisation that was initially made, however, so that bit was aimed in your general direction. i have many friends playing all of the above games, and some like one game more, and many of them left eq for other games, but i've not really seen any of them hate.

they expressed discontent occasionally, but they didnt turn any discussions into measuring tape, and i was afraid this one might go there, so it was a preemptive rant i suppose :).

Maybe. But old EQ players were used to certain things - had become very used to them. And they are not in EQ2. It is a bit of a shock to go from old EQ to EQ2, esp. if a player has never tried DaoC or FF. So pls cut us some slack.

The other thing is that old EQ had a quality that EQ2 is lacking. And I'm not the only poster to think this. It doesn't mean I'm saying you're crazy for liking EQ2 - heck, I'm diggin' it right now - I'm playing EQ2 and liking a lot of it.

What a lot of us old-timers miss is the "wide open" feel of old EQ. Now maybe old EQ was our first MMO, and we just had a case of "first time wow". But I think it's more than that. Old EQ was much less restrictive - really let you the player get out there and experiment and do some really wild stuff. Yeah it led to bordering-on-sploit tactics, but hell, they were FUN. And hey, when some crazy tactic went to far, they nerfed it. But again, for the week or month you had to enjoy it, it was wild.

I hope EQ2 has at least some "wide openness" to it somewhere - and I'm just too green to know it yet. If it doesn't, and it appears to be mising this, I'll be very disapointed. THey got so much right - but to get this part wrong....

Yep. That's why I play both. With an all access pass for only 21 bucks a month I play EQ2 during the week and group with some friends on EQ1 on the weekends :)

After playing EQ1 (like a previous poster) off and on for over 5 years I absolutely love the improvements they have made to the game... many of which found their way into EQ2. The latest of which is the quest system... bears a striking resemblance to the task system in the newest EQ1 update.

EQ2 also incorporated many of the features that I liked about DAoC.

Say what you like but both EQ1 and EQ2 are great games and I am loving them both. They are not perfect, but still darn good.

Grist Gudhart
Troll Crusader/Scholar
Oasis

Ok, first:



You can turn off the spin on the selection screen.

There, got that off my chest.


I played EQ since 99' and EQ2 came out just in time as I was ready to give it up for good this time. Really I was...honest!!

I like EQ2 today but the way it's set up I don't see it holding my interest for the next 5 years like the orignal EQ did. I won't go ranting about all the reasons why because we've all read them here anyway but it's what I see.

So no, I'm not a bitter EQ player who lost his game, just looking at the reality of it.

It may be just that people coming to EQ2 from EQ are seeing a lack that people coming from other backgrounds do not?

Most people are still newbies in EQ2. I don't think there is much you would be qualified to say about EQ if you'd only played to 10 or 15. For this reason I would reserve judgement on EQ2.

So far it seems much easier than EQ. Some of this is better design, some is dumbing down, some is just different. Knowing SoE lots will change anyway in the next few months so it is too early to fall in love with features that may get nerfed or removed altogether.

I still find EQ more challenging and more flexible but I enjoy EQ2 as well. Only time will tell.

So far I think EQ-Lite would have been a more accurate if less saleable name.

Some day as you sit in your rocking chair talking to your grand kids and MMO's are all but washed up, you can tell them how great it was.


The first is always the best.

Until some dude named Neo comes along to ***** it all up!

I know that it was really hard for me to cancel my EQLive account when I made the switch to EQ2. I'll never get back all the time I spent on EQ1 and I don't regret the time that I spent on that game either. I have so many good memories, from fighting in Mistmoore at level 20 with all my buddies (my friend had a Velium Axe, that was so sweet back then). And I have great memories of Ring Wars in The Great Divide.

Making the switch to EQ2 was hard for me, but so far I'm enjoying it. It isn't as challenging and I don't get the feeling of "roughing it" like I got in EQ1, but it'll do. There is always going to be an empty spot that can never be filled by another game but I', willing to give this game a shot, so far it's fun. Who knows it might get harder in later levels.

I really like the way EQ2 is set up for the most part. I am glad to see more of a group involved type play style. Instead of gathering a horrific force of 70 people to slay a mob, just so you can get 2 drops (of which you will most likely not win) . I mean wtf, after a while it was painful, just to log in and get ready for a raid sucked. The only thing they should improve upon, (IMO)is the gathering, foresting, trapping, mining. I think it also should be locked like melee combat. I wont rant, however I really dislike it when somone KS's my wood or ore. Anyway, I am very pleased with the over all outcome of EQ2. When I first started playing I knew I was hooked, and that I would never return to EQ1.

Vitus 25 Paladin of Transcendence