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The great EQ2 nerf of 03//12/2004Follow

#1 Dec 03 2004 at 8:13 PM Rating: Default
At least this is what its rapidly becoming known as.

Read some of the offical forums, its hugely heated with flames and brimstone.

Can we all say 'miss'?? :P lol
#2 Dec 03 2004 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
wtf?
#3 Dec 03 2004 at 8:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Erm.....did I miss something? Im sooooooo confused....I need a hug..mommy.
#4 Dec 03 2004 at 8:33 PM Rating: Default
Forgot the links,

Melee nerf

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=6341

Mez nerf

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=spellart&message.id=5777

Edited, Fri Dec 3 20:40:38 2004 by FriendBear
#5 Dec 03 2004 at 9:06 PM Rating: Good
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Aren't you forgetting the con system nerf, the increase to NPC hp and damage, and when combined, what is essentially a nerf to anyone who wants to solo?

I hope that the EQ2 beta test ends soon so we will be able to see what the game is really going to be like.
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#6 Dec 03 2004 at 9:07 PM Rating: Decent
Ummmm, I'm apparently still missing something. HOw can a game be nerfed BEFORE its released? If it is a change done in Beta testing, or worse, Alpha testing, then its not a nerf...

EQII was not released until approximately 7 months AFTER 3/12/04...
#7 Dec 03 2004 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm apparently still missing something. HOw can a game be nerfed BEFORE its released? If it is a change done in Beta testing, or worse, Alpha testing, then its not a nerf...

EQII was not released until approximately 7 months AFTER 3/12/04...


Jeez, man, what day is it now? Did you notice no similarity? There are two ways to write a date: MM/DD/YY and DD/MM/YY.
#8 Dec 03 2004 at 9:28 PM Rating: Default
lol, who would pay for a live beta then? Seems like SoE just wanted to beat WoW to release, even though WoW isn't beta at all, maybe EQ2 should go back to the drawing board? lol

As for the post by Samatman

"Aren't you forgetting the con system nerf, the increase to NPC hp and damage, and when combined, what is essentially a nerf to anyone who wants to solo?"

Yes, a nerf but I don't think would effect that many people. I've preffered grouping anyway, solo is just a nice thing when groups are not available and besides since there are solo quests, its obvious there must be some solo type mobs to make it interesting.

I sincerly hope SoE get there act together with EQ2, it has much potential, just leave the nerfs out please?
#9 Dec 03 2004 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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I was only poking fun at a not so funny, but rather common Sony situation. It's pretty obvious that EQ2 was released when it was because of WoW's timeframe. To make sweeping and significant changes now post-release means that we are all paying for what is basically an extended open beta test.

Now, flip side is that I'd rather get in and play now even of they still want to tweak things. It's really a catch-22 situation. Am I glad they released in November? Yep. It still doesn't change basic human nature which resists changes at every step. Each significant change they make now is much harder to swallow than something that had been refined and completed in the actual beta test.



You may want to change the title of the post to the "Dec 03 nerf" to help out those that use US date format :)

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#10 Dec 03 2004 at 10:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe the reference to 3-12 is some of the beta-player elitism we have come to be weary of in forums.
#11 Dec 03 2004 at 11:25 PM Rating: Default
Just saying that maybe it wasn't in the best interest to introduce such a strict nerf in so short a time frame, obviously people will resist and grief about it, to me as long as I can still go out, group with some friends and kill the same mobs I was hunting yesterday and the day before, then to me, its all good.
#12 Dec 04 2004 at 1:30 AM Rating: Decent
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He has the date right. Day and month are switched around thats all. I beleave someone else uses that format, though not sure who.
#13 Dec 04 2004 at 1:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Europeans commonly use the switched around day/month format as well as those in the military.

As far as the great nerf is concerned, I really can't say. I have't played my 20+ char in awhile, but from the sound of the patch message it really just sounds like both NPCs and players had their damage and health upped. If they were both upped the same...nothings really changed.

The EQ2 official forums are not known for their wonderful intellectual debates either, so until I see it for myself I'll consider this a nerf-in-waiting.
#14 Dec 04 2004 at 2:03 AM Rating: Decent
i said it once and i will say it again

wtf?
#15 Dec 04 2004 at 2:30 AM Rating: Decent
FriendBear, first you spout off a thread saying WoW is higher rated than EQ2 and now another thread about a thread you created on the official forums about a "nerf"... oh sorry, the "GREAT EQ2 NERF"...

What's wrong with you?

Why are you trolling these forums trying to spark reactions from people?

Try to discuss things, not cause a panic from people who play Rangers, or want to play them.
#16 Dec 04 2004 at 7:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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lol, who would pay for a live beta then? Seems like SoE just wanted to beat WoW to release, even though WoW isn't beta at all, maybe EQ2 should go back to the drawing board? lol


Why is it everone states this? All MMORPGs are betas, they are designed to be opened ended and ever changing. I guarantee you WoW will go thru changes as well. There is no way games of this magnitude can be beta tested long enuff unless the masses were willing to wait 5 years just for the testing portion of a MMORPG. Granted some MMORPGs I think were released way too early i.e. SWG, but so far EQ2 has been the smoothest launch thus far I have experienced. Im not putting others down, I'm just stating that their all paid for betas by us. We find the bugs, they patch them out.
#17 Dec 04 2004 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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lol, who would pay for a live beta then? Seems like SoE just wanted to beat WoW to release, even though WoW isn't beta at all, maybe EQ2 should go back to the drawing board? lol


Why is it everone states this? All MMORPGs are betas, they are designed to be opened ended and ever changing. I guarantee you WoW will go thru changes as well. There is no way games of this magnitude can be beta tested long enuff unless the masses were willing to wait 5 years just for the testing portion of a MMORPG. Granted some MMORPGs I think were released way too early i.e. SWG, but so far EQ2 has been the smoothest launch thus far I have experienced. Im not putting others down, I'm just stating that their all paid for betas by us. We find the bugs, they patch them out.


Rate up for you!

I never understood why people complain about so-called nerfs and other changes. Do they honestly expect that nothing will change in an online game?
#18 Dec 04 2004 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Europeans commonly use the switched around day/month format as well as those in the military.


Asia too. American's are the oddballs.

Back on subject, as having played both the beta and now in the game, the number of advancementments that SOE has made in that time frame is insane. They are squashing all the little things doing final balances to tweakage every day.

And the shear fact that the servers where up the opening day, and have not been knocked down for any lengthy and unexpected time? How can you NOT say it was a flawless release with that. I seriously don't know of any other MMORPGs that had that.

Not saying the release date wasn't marketed against WOW, but what I'm saying is that they did release a full game. Better then you would get with any previous MMORPG release. Beta is over, I'm playing a game here.
#19 Dec 04 2004 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll try to explain to you why "reasonable" people complain about nerfs. Players invest a lot of time in something and get used to it being that way. Then the nerf bat comes - and wham - they're investment is upset. They may no longer have much fun doing it the nerfed way. Of course they have a right to be upset.

Now, in some cases the nerf is totally reasonable and makes the game better. In other cases the nerf is completely arbitrary and punitive. Developers are *only human* and ***** up all the time. That's why it is important for us to complain on boards like these - and the official boards. It makes the game better if we complain. If we always take it on the chin and say nothing, then the devs assume we are okay with the changes.

Note, devs aren't always great players - I sometimes wonder if any of them play at all. Their perspective must certainly be different because it is a *job* for them - not a pasttime.

Please note, you are perfectly in your right to wonder why ranters and flamers make unjustifiable complaints. But when people make reasonable complaints - that's different. We should support them, even if we don't always agree with them. To suggest we shouldn't complain and simply accept what the devs throw at us ... let me humbly stress that I think this would not be good. Stagnation will result.

GL all!
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