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#1 Dec 02 2004 at 9:56 AM Rating: Default
/rant on

OK, this is p***ing me off. I thought it was common courtesy to not touch a harvest node that someone had already begun pulling from. But the last several nights I'm in the tier 1 areas (Oakmyst, primarily) and keep getting little dweebs running up and harvesting from the same nodes I'm in the middle of harvesting. So now instead of kill stealing we have harvest stealing? Ninja looting, with a twist.

Are these just inconsiderate idiots forshadowing the downfall of civil society? Or is it now a free-for-all where it's OK to take resources from anyone anytime you feel it's convenient?

Maybe Sony needs to lock harvest encounters the way they lock mob encounters.

/rant off
#2 Dec 02 2004 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
Unfortunatly this is not the first thread started up about this.

People seem to justify walking up and harvesting on some one eles node by saying, oh I didn't see any animation showing you harvesting.

Or, nodes are not locked out so therefore sony meant it to be a big free for all.

Mere justifications for being rude.

But then, it is easy to be rude to people when you don't have to look them in the face.

#3 Dec 02 2004 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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You will find it mixed in many areas.

In the end, the nodes are not locked so get over it.

I will generaly avoid harvesting a node someone is on. And the only time you realy see this happening is in the newbie areas, Once you get past the newbie areas you can harvest for hours without seeing another player.

I know many times when I worked my first character past 40, I would spend 10 minutes clearing all the fishing nodes. Then as soon as something usefull appeared 6 people would jump on it, who had not been harvesting anything up until then.
#4 Dec 02 2004 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
There's an interesting discussion about this very issue going on in a thread on the Butcherblock server forum right now. I agree with the idea that there should be no harvest "sharing", as some so euphemistically put it.

On the other hand, some believe that SOE designed this aspect of the game so that it WOULD be shared, since they made it an un-locked encounter. In my personal opinion (heavy on the "personal"), jumping in on a node that is already being harvested is the same as KS'ing used to be in EQ1.

Having said that, I also believe I'm probably in the minority in that opinion.
#5 Dec 02 2004 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
I feel your pain! :( When that happens to me I do a /rude after targeting the offending toon. I have so far managed to resist actually sending them a tell or starting something in ooc. I have tailed someone who did it to me first and shadowed every step they took and looted off every node they were on to make sure they knew how fun it was to fight for the nodes also. Childish? Yes, but it makes me feel a little better. :)

They do seem to disappear after a while though.
#6 Dec 02 2004 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if SOE wanted the first person to be able harvest a point only, they would have made it so that it was locked after your started harvesting/mining/foresting/etc. the target. This has been common practice in most MMOS with this aspect of gameplay (just ask all the disgruntled FFXI loggers and miners about bots followng them to their points).

You can't get around it so I wouldn't get worked up over it. So far this game has been kind enough to provide enough points in each zone to accomidate all players. If you find the same person annoying you and taking your spots try instancing to a different zone.

Remember, you have to realize that a lot of people play this game. Just because you don't harvest a spot already in use by another PC, that doesn't mean that someone else will extend you that same courtesy.
#7 Dec 02 2004 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
Like I said, that is just a justification for being rude.

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#8 Dec 02 2004 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
Well i agree the nodes are open to all and i don`t get upset when a new person jumps in on my harvest like lv 1-6 But lastnight a lv 29 was jumping in on all my harvesting now i thought that was rude.....the problem is with the trapping all of a sudden that is what people need so everyone just runs around in circles looking for the dens and when they pop here they come like magnets. Anyway i`m enjoying it cause it is just a game.
#9 Dec 02 2004 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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I found out why it was annoying !
When I'm lets say mining, I can fail twice in a row, then a guy shows up and mine my node.

Result : I didnt get anything, so my Sandwashed Rock is not even shared, the guy might have gotten something but he might have failed too. We both lose on that :(

So yes, in antonica I dont try to share someone else'node, it could mean I'm stealing something from that guy, not sharing.

I thought about Sony not locking nodes, well maybe it's for us to make it work nice and smooth :)
It's too easy to hide behide Sony, it's not because we can do it that it's moral (then again I'm "good" , I stick with the game, I try to be fair, if I was evil maybe I'd junp any nodes I could get)
#10 Dec 02 2004 at 10:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Like I said, that is just a justification for being rude.
Being rude and playing the game are two different things. Its all perspective. Just because you see someone harvesting the same spot as you as rude, I don't. I don't care if 4 people come and harvest the same spot as long as I get at least 1 harvest out of it. This game is for everyone. You have to learn to play by the rules enforced by the makers.

Someone laughing or making fun of you for getting the same spots as you is rude, but if they are just in the same area as you harvesting your spots it isn't. You just have to get used to it. Theres nothing you can do about it.
#11 Dec 02 2004 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you think about the math, the people jumping on the node your on are actually hurting themselves.

You get there first, you'll get 2 attempts to their one. During that time, it's more than likely that they could move on to the next spawn,(while your still on the last)and get at least 2 attempts themselves.

Whenever I come across a node someone is on, I move on to the next. The majority of the time I'll find one right away. Just hang in there, like Corison said, after you tough out the newbie zones, there's tons out there untouched.
#12 Dec 02 2004 at 11:14 AM Rating: Decent
Wow, thanks for rating me down whoever you are. You can rate me down all you want, but it will not change the fact that you don't own your harevesting point. Harvesting points are public, deal with it!
#13 Dec 02 2004 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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#14 Dec 02 2004 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
[bIf the game allows it do it .If you dont like it complain .That ponders another question who do you complain to = NOBODY because it is allowed so get over it.][/b][lg][/lg][/Black][Red]
#15 Dec 02 2004 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh, another thread on this topic. It's a dead topic leave it at that. If you don't like this portion of the game, then leave!
#16 Dec 02 2004 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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The noob zones are pretty tight but if you stick it out there are plenty tier2 and 3 zones and nodes to be harvested at that point but it requires that you have a 40+ skill to harvest tier2 and 80+ to harvest tier3.

Anyway I hope this helps,

#17 Dec 02 2004 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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I think once the game has been established and aged a little you will see this kind of thing decrease. The same used to happen in EQ1 when it was first released. It takes a while before the 'unwritten rules' are established between players. Obviously there will always be players who dont obide by them, but you will find that the majority will!!

Well thats my 2cp worth
#18 Dec 02 2004 at 11:45 AM Rating: Decent
It seems to me that there is an easy fix (partial at least) to this problem. If they would add trapping opportunities to the island you would see higher level toons meet there 40+ quota sooner, and in turn get out of the newbie areas......which would speed everyone else up.

May not be the save all solution, but it would definatly help.
#19 Dec 02 2004 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
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Just out of curiosity,(and to /hijack the node debate)

Are the "?" collection nodes on different tiers? I wasn't sure how the spawns in different areas worked.

I just hate having 30 collection quests open!
#20 Dec 02 2004 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes you will find the '?' in all tiers.

#21 Dec 02 2004 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
ok plz no one lower my rating on this post but as we all are here i am only expressing my opinion on the matter as we all are ...
with that said:

i am among the people who believe that if sony intended this to not be able to be harvested by multiple people at once then they woulda made it a locked encounter like they did with mobs. Not saying i come up and harvest nodes others are on nessasarily, just that i am in favoer of the choice for people to do so.
for one thing - in the name of roleplay ( i know alot of u EQ gamers out there are wondering what that is right now) an evil char could come up and harvest a node u are on and then destroy it in front of u, that why he is called EVIL. and other roleplaying evils would prolly find this funny. just the same a good char could offer to help u collect multiple nodes thus reducing collection times.
another thing to consider is that these nodes are the BASE LEVEL for most of the game economy. that makes them a high demand object and any such item causes controversy. thats right i was awake in economics class, weird huh?
i have had many many many people get all pissy with me as i was lvling my char just by virtue of the fact that i happened to be standing next to a node that someone was havesting cuz thay thought i was taking their node. Ok now some of u all out there are just a bit too greedy and need to calm down, take a deep breath, and keep gaming. i have worked on plenty of nodes that gave me only one or two harvests, just cuz some one is standing next to u doesnt give u the right to turn into a phyco crazed 1949 california miner protecting his/her claim.
this is eq - if we were all meant to suddenly be 99th level artisians we would start our chars that way and the game would be boring and sony wouldnt make any money cuz no one would play. we all spend alot of our time tuning out of reality to spend our time paying online games that simulate reality more and more, the only difference is that we can experience a bit more freedom that we dont have in reality.
#22 Dec 02 2004 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
OOPs...I think I can be considered a newbie since I never played EQ. I have played FFXI for a year though, so I have many of the basics down. I never logged, mined, or harvested grass though.

I did not know that harvesting with someone was wrong, I am glad you posted and I will stop. If I was harveting with someone, I only tried once and then left figuring we both shared, now I won't harvest at all.

If I did this to you, I am sorry! Still learning, and loving every minute of the game.
#23 Dec 02 2004 at 12:47 PM Rating: Default
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Yes I agree with Payzee, rules between players will be set after a while :) For now I doubt we feel as a strong community yet.

Also maybe some people with a good character did so because they felt it would be easier and are acting like evil ones ?
#24 Dec 02 2004 at 12:56 PM Rating: Default
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thats right i was awake in economics class, weird huh?


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turn into a phyco crazed 1949 california miner protecting his/her claim.


Too bad you were asleep in your grammar and history classes.

Edited, Thu Dec 2 13:22:43 2004 by Ghostpaw
#25 Dec 02 2004 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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alas, there is not much you can do if the person just really doesn't care they are doing it, but often the other person just doesn't know any better yet.

when i see someone starting to harvest the node i'm on, i just do a /say sigh then a /say no respect and usually they end up sending me a tell apologizing.
#26 Dec 02 2004 at 1:18 PM Rating: Default
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yes I thought about making a maccro but not like "no respect" with a sigh, something more friendly " please dont do that I could have failed twice" or something like that ^^
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