Now I know that SOE supposedly took away all the racial benefits stuff some evil races enjoyed because their are no factional disadvantages against one race over the other, but...
...they took away Infravision from a *REPTILE* race and replaced it with what has to be the most idiot sight ever...
AQUAVISION!!! What is it good for?!?!? Absolutely NOTHING.
It doesn't give you the ability to see futher underwater. Doesn't help you see better underwater at night. In fact, Infravision is a better underwater vision than aquavision. All it does is take what you can ALREADY SEE WITHOUT AQUAVISION and takes away the murkiness. As if the .00023% clearer image makes a difference... as if there was a need for an improvement... as if aquatic vision was even practical. How about adding a faster swimming speed... put that damn tail to use...
Bah!! I haven't played an erudite yet, but based on the fact that if a mob cons white+ thru blue+ I'm blast it rather or not it can cast spells or not leads me to believe that it is equally a joke. But I might be wrong.
That ends my rant for today. Join me tomorrow when I ***** about how sonic vision is just a yellow version of ultravision(or a computer of the future only vision).
Edited, Tue Nov 30 03:32:42 2004 by LORDoftheFACTS
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Well I love my Sonicvision, when it's very dark, I can see clearly, sincerely, I have it on 75% of the time when I fight.
Instead of a torc which lights up 5 feet aroud you, sonicvison is definetly better.
Edit: Oh yeah! Aquavision might suck. I don't know I never saw it, but yeah I agree with, but also they can't give them all the same kind of vision, would be a very nice diversity and also that would take away the role play a bit. Oh yeah, if you ask me, every race should have infravision. Euh... -_-
Edited, Mon Nov 29 09:57:26 2004 by dniem
Instead of a torc which lights up 5 feet aroud you, sonicvison is definetly better.
Edit: Oh yeah! Aquavision might suck. I don't know I never saw it, but yeah I agree with, but also they can't give them all the same kind of vision, would be a very nice diversity and also that would take away the role play a bit. Oh yeah, if you ask me, every race should have infravision. Euh... -_-
Edited, Mon Nov 29 09:57:26 2004 by dniem
My swimming is capped at 91/91 atm. I like my aqua vision. But then I'm on an RP server, and Iksar being all about the water, Setiss likes to go exploring under the surface. Fighting pirates and tide crawlers and such.
If you really have a problem in the dark, turn up your Gamma just a bit. SOE hating the Iksar? Nah. We're awesome. A very well rounded race if you ask me, and we look a lot more evil than most other races. /flex
If you really have a problem in the dark, turn up your Gamma just a bit. SOE hating the Iksar? Nah. We're awesome. A very well rounded race if you ask me, and we look a lot more evil than most other races. /flex
dniem wrote:
Well I love my Sonicvision, when it's very dark, I can see clearly, sincerely, I have it on 75% of the time when I fight.
Instead of a torc which lights up 5 feet aroud you, sonicvison is definetly better.
Edit: Oh yeah! Aquavision might suck. I don't know I never saw it, but yeah I agree with, but also they can't give them all the same kind of vision, would be a very nice diversity and also that would take away the role play a bit. Oh yeah, if you ask me, every race should have infravision. Euh... -_-
Edited, Mon Nov 29 09:57:26 2004 by dniem
Instead of a torc which lights up 5 feet aroud you, sonicvison is definetly better.
Edit: Oh yeah! Aquavision might suck. I don't know I never saw it, but yeah I agree with, but also they can't give them all the same kind of vision, would be a very nice diversity and also that would take away the role play a bit. Oh yeah, if you ask me, every race should have infravision. Euh... -_-
Edited, Mon Nov 29 09:57:26 2004 by dniem
Sonic and Ultravision are great. But the only difference is the color. One is yellow and the other is blue. According to the description of sonicvision moving targets should be the only thing you can see. You'd see water, trees leaves... grass... but stone walkways should be black. And you should only be able to see moving targets rather they are sneaking, invised, etc.
Aquavision adds NOTHING. How the F does elf get HEAT SENSITIVITY vision and a *REPTILE* does not?!?!?! They have striped Iksar of everything they had. They are mere pitiful humans now.
Ivven wrote:
My swimming is capped at 91/91 atm. I like my aqua vision. But then I'm on an RP server, and Iksar being all about the water, Setiss likes to go exploring under the surface. Fighting pirates and tide crawlers and such.
If you really have a problem in the dark, turn up your Gamma just a bit. SOE hating the Iksar? Nah. We're awesome. A very well rounded race if you ask me, and we look a lot more evil than most other races. /flex
If you really have a problem in the dark, turn up your Gamma just a bit. SOE hating the Iksar? Nah. We're awesome. A very well rounded race if you ask me, and we look a lot more evil than most other races. /flex
How can you have an opinion as to liking aquavision or not. It doesn;t make it any easier to see anything nor any worse. It just takes WHAT YOU CAN ALREADY SEE and takes the murk away... murkiness that was never a detriment to begin with.
IT need to to give you the ability to see FURTHER than someone without it. A wood elf can swim underwater and see just as far as you can and make out ever single creature just as well as you could... but.... but... a wood elf can throw on infravision and see creatures FURTHER AWAY UNDERWATER THAN AN IKSAR WITH AQUVISION!!! WTF?!?!
Uhm.
Play an elf if you don't like Iksar. What more can one say? It is what it is, and it's really not that big of a deal IMHO. Is something so.... in the end...miniscule in the game really that important?
I have fun with it, I swim around and RP my character and Aquavision once in a while, and this is just fine with me. I played other races and didn't use their special vision much either... I'm more focused on the Cleric side than on if I can see great in the dark. If it's too dark for me to be comfortable with, I turn up gamma.
But whatever. All I can say is if you're really that unhappy, play a different race. Me? Heck, I'm not giving up my all around stats that seem very well balanced just to see a bit better in the dark. But...that's just me, and I'm happy with what I got.
Edited, Tue Nov 30 04:23:11 2004 by Ivven
Play an elf if you don't like Iksar. What more can one say? It is what it is, and it's really not that big of a deal IMHO. Is something so.... in the end...miniscule in the game really that important?
I have fun with it, I swim around and RP my character and Aquavision once in a while, and this is just fine with me. I played other races and didn't use their special vision much either... I'm more focused on the Cleric side than on if I can see great in the dark. If it's too dark for me to be comfortable with, I turn up gamma.
But whatever. All I can say is if you're really that unhappy, play a different race. Me? Heck, I'm not giving up my all around stats that seem very well balanced just to see a bit better in the dark. But...that's just me, and I'm happy with what I got.
Edited, Tue Nov 30 04:23:11 2004 by Ivven
I haven't had to use my Wood Elf's racial vision yet, but hey at least Iksar get a racial vision eh? ;) Humans are stuck with a good ol' torch and what their two eyes can see, hehe.
As for Erudites - yeah their special ability is okay. Not the greatest, but it does help tell you who has magical ability and who doesn't. :)
As for Erudites - yeah their special ability is okay. Not the greatest, but it does help tell you who has magical ability and who doesn't. :)
DrkJeff wrote:
I haven't had to use my Wood Elf's racial vision yet, but hey at least Iksar get a racial vision eh? ;) Humans are stuck with a good ol' torch and what their two eyes can see, hehe.
As for Erudites - yeah their special ability is okay. Not the greatest, but it does help tell you who has magical ability and who doesn't. :)
As for Erudites - yeah their special ability is okay. Not the greatest, but it does help tell you who has magical ability and who doesn't. :)
I started an erudite today to see what their looked liked. Yeah, it's useless now but I can concieve a use for it later on in the game. Bunch a mobs that all have the same name, but some may be priests, some may be mages, some may be fighters. Perhaps the group will want to mez the healers first? Maybe the mage types have devestating AOE spells and need to be taken care of ASAP. Being able to see the magically classification might actually come in handy when it comes to which mob to go for first... who knows.
But aquavision? Let's put it this way: A human can see just as well in the water as an iksar using aquavision. A wood elf using infravison can see mobs further away underwater than an iksar using aquavision. SOE hates iksar.
Case closed:)
On a brighter note an erudite fighter weilding a 2-hand staff looks like darth maul kicking jedi butt. I love the way the fight move Kick looks while weilding a bo and the way you dodge attacks looks like something out of the matrix. You dodge in a way that looks like you fall down, but you are actually "ducking" your entire body and you use the staff to lift yourself back up. Get yourself a nice dark robe and your a sith.
Everyone hates Iksar.
We like it that way too. Call me nuts, but I'm sticking with my "gimped" Iksar and his very nice stats and his ability to solo orange mobs, or double arrow up blue mobs. Rawr. It's all abou the tail yo.
We like it that way too. Call me nuts, but I'm sticking with my "gimped" Iksar and his very nice stats and his ability to solo orange mobs, or double arrow up blue mobs. Rawr. It's all abou the tail yo.
People hate the Iksar because stat wise they have the choice of being the weakest evil fighter, or the best melee/worst mana evil mage. And aquavision does suck.
Ivven wrote:
Everyone hates Iksar.
We like it that way too. Call me nuts, but I'm sticking with my "gimped" Iksar and his very nice stats and his ability to solo orange mobs, or double arrow up blue mobs. Rawr. It's all abou the tail yo.
We like it that way too. Call me nuts, but I'm sticking with my "gimped" Iksar and his very nice stats and his ability to solo orange mobs, or double arrow up blue mobs. Rawr. It's all abou the tail yo.
If an iksar can solo those things I'm sure a ratonga fighter could too. A ratonga fighter hits for the same among as an ogre. Seems that strength is more to do with power and damage is based solely on the weapon. From personal experience an erudite or dark elf fighter are both superior because the land hits and dodge the most. I've never missed so many times with an other race as I have with Iksar. Even the fighters' Wild Swing misses 5 out of 10 times - literally.
I don't think the stats weren't programmed right for the races. A dark elf or erudite should not be better than a ogre nor dodge more than a wood elf. Ratonga are another anomaly. They dodge well enough, but can't land hits for **** either.
I got nothing against iksar. I'm just saying their racial vision isn't really anything at all. And to top it al off they robbed them of a useful vision and replaced it with practically nothing at all. If I have an ability called AQUAvision I should have a sight advantage underwater. They are the only race to be lose their vision.
Heightserz wrote:
People hate the Iksar because stat wise they have the choice of being the weakest evil fighter, or the best melee/worst mana evil mage. And aquavision does suck.
Those stats are ******** just like in FFXI:)
The only thing that is quantifiable is health and power. They need to fix the mechanics of the races. Every race I've played as fighter, including ratonga and gnome, where better than an iksar.
Perhaps at higher lvl power will become more of an issue, but as long as damage is based on the weapon and not strength, agility should theoretically be the most important stat for a fight dispite what the book says(so far). A erudite has more than a enough power to fight multiple enemies at once plus they dodge more often, and hits for the same amount of damage as an ogre. An ogre's greater health doesn't compensate for the fact that it doesn't dodge enough.
So I'm ASSUMING as lvls increase moves start requiring larger amounts of power.
Yes but I'm not a fighter.
I'm a cleric. And I've been told a damned good cleric at that. I have more Energy than a Dark Elf Cleric and more HP to boot.
Fighter? Not me. If you guys want an Iksar fighter debate, talk to someone else.
BTW, I did have a lvl 14 Crusader. He could not solo double tough blue mobs, or orange mobs. I deleted him and made the Cleric. I'm also playing a Scout and another Fighter I want to take Brawler eventually... but I'm in no hurry.
I do agree some of the stats are a little off. For example... exactly WHY do I have more MP than a Dark Elf? If Iksar - traditionally- are more the "fighting" race... eh, doesn't make sense. And a gnome Crusader and a Troll Crusader (yes, I've teamed with both) should be quite different both tank and damage wise from eachother. There are some stats that need to be tweaked or eased off on, that's stuff SOE has to look into.
I do agree, however...looking at the Iksar strength atm... it should be higher than a human's. And it's not. But their agility is higher.... so why DO they miss so much? Eh, stuff does need to be worked on. Overall... however, as an Iksar Cleric, I have to say strangely, a "non traditional role" ...they make pretty damned good Clerics.
And we have a tail.
Edited, Wed Dec 1 03:41:32 2004 by Ivven
I'm a cleric. And I've been told a damned good cleric at that. I have more Energy than a Dark Elf Cleric and more HP to boot.
Fighter? Not me. If you guys want an Iksar fighter debate, talk to someone else.
BTW, I did have a lvl 14 Crusader. He could not solo double tough blue mobs, or orange mobs. I deleted him and made the Cleric. I'm also playing a Scout and another Fighter I want to take Brawler eventually... but I'm in no hurry.
I do agree some of the stats are a little off. For example... exactly WHY do I have more MP than a Dark Elf? If Iksar - traditionally- are more the "fighting" race... eh, doesn't make sense. And a gnome Crusader and a Troll Crusader (yes, I've teamed with both) should be quite different both tank and damage wise from eachother. There are some stats that need to be tweaked or eased off on, that's stuff SOE has to look into.
I do agree, however...looking at the Iksar strength atm... it should be higher than a human's. And it's not. But their agility is higher.... so why DO they miss so much? Eh, stuff does need to be worked on. Overall... however, as an Iksar Cleric, I have to say strangely, a "non traditional role" ...they make pretty damned good Clerics.
And we have a tail.
Edited, Wed Dec 1 03:41:32 2004 by Ivven
I'd just kind of like to add, my philosophy on FFXI (yes, cringe in fear) was basically this.
There was a debate about Taru monks. Taru were typically your mage race, small....low strength and vit, high MP.
But I saw some Taru monks that put the smack to some pretty tough mobs. Why?
Player skill....understanding the weakness and strength of your race, and compensating for it, knowing your job well.... is more important than the race you pick.
Player>Race
Still think though, if that many people who play Iksar fighters really are finding stat troubles even with good gear...to be a hinderence, SOE needs to fix something to balance the races out to be more "True" to the original intent.
There was a debate about Taru monks. Taru were typically your mage race, small....low strength and vit, high MP.
But I saw some Taru monks that put the smack to some pretty tough mobs. Why?
Player skill....understanding the weakness and strength of your race, and compensating for it, knowing your job well.... is more important than the race you pick.
Player>Race
Still think though, if that many people who play Iksar fighters really are finding stat troubles even with good gear...to be a hinderence, SOE needs to fix something to balance the races out to be more "True" to the original intent.
Ivven wrote:
Yes but I'm not a fighter.
I'm a cleric. And I've been told a damned good cleric at that. I have more Energy than a Dark Elf Cleric and more HP to boot.
Fighter? Not me. If you guys want an Iksar fighter debate, talk to someone else.
BTW, I did have a lvl 14 Crusader. He could not solo double tough blue mobs, or orange mobs. I deleted him and made the Cleric. I'm also playing a Scout and another Fighter I want to take Brawler eventually... but I'm in no hurry.
I do agree some of the stats are a little off. For example... exactly WHY do I have more MP than a Dark Elf? If Iksar - traditionally- are more the "fighting" race... eh, doesn't make sense. And a gnome Crusader and a Troll Crusader (yes, I've teamed with both) should be quite different both tank and damage wise from eachother. There are some stats that need to be tweaked or eased off on, that's stuff SOE has to look into.
I do agree, however...looking at the Iksar strength atm... it should be higher than a human's. And it's not. But their agility is higher.... so why DO they miss so much? Eh, stuff does need to be worked on. Overall... however, as an Iksar Cleric, I have to say strangely, a "non traditional role" ...they make pretty damned good Clerics.
And we have a tail.
Edited, Wed Dec 1 03:41:32 2004 by Ivven
I'm a cleric. And I've been told a damned good cleric at that. I have more Energy than a Dark Elf Cleric and more HP to boot.
Fighter? Not me. If you guys want an Iksar fighter debate, talk to someone else.
BTW, I did have a lvl 14 Crusader. He could not solo double tough blue mobs, or orange mobs. I deleted him and made the Cleric. I'm also playing a Scout and another Fighter I want to take Brawler eventually... but I'm in no hurry.
I do agree some of the stats are a little off. For example... exactly WHY do I have more MP than a Dark Elf? If Iksar - traditionally- are more the "fighting" race... eh, doesn't make sense. And a gnome Crusader and a Troll Crusader (yes, I've teamed with both) should be quite different both tank and damage wise from eachother. There are some stats that need to be tweaked or eased off on, that's stuff SOE has to look into.
I do agree, however...looking at the Iksar strength atm... it should be higher than a human's. And it's not. But their agility is higher.... so why DO they miss so much? Eh, stuff does need to be worked on. Overall... however, as an Iksar Cleric, I have to say strangely, a "non traditional role" ...they make pretty damned good Clerics.
And we have a tail.
Edited, Wed Dec 1 03:41:32 2004 by Ivven
You have more mana/power than a dark elf???? What was your starting WIS? The book states that dark elves have 10 more WIS than iksar. Another thing: too many races have the exact same stats. Dwarves and barbarians are one example, but dwarves have infravison and barbarians don't. What a rip off.
I need to check and see if the book and the game are even on the same page:)
ATTENTION ALL:
That aquavision is gonna get fixed. MARK MY WORDS, WORLD!!! THE IKSAR WILL SEE UNDERWATER AS FAR OFF AS OTHER RACES CAN SEE ON LAND!!! SOE WILL CAVE TO ME!!! And that's a FACT!!!
My wisdom is 61 atm, at lvl 18. I have some nice gear though.
My lvl 19 Dark Elf husband irl (yes I'm female irl, don't freak) has wisdom of 62, and his gear is very similar to mine, almost identical in fact, since we quest together and do all that good stuff. He's also a Cleric.
Hm. There are some differences, as I watch him pop up his screen. His skills are a little better than mine in some spots, not as good in others, but overall very similar. There's really not much difference.
If I can remember (and I'm not sure on this for a fact, and the guide of course is wrong but I know I'm very close) Iksar starting Wis is 22
Edited, Wed Dec 1 04:20:13 2004 by Ivven
Edited, Wed Dec 1 04:21:00 2004 by Ivven
My lvl 19 Dark Elf husband irl (yes I'm female irl, don't freak) has wisdom of 62, and his gear is very similar to mine, almost identical in fact, since we quest together and do all that good stuff. He's also a Cleric.
Hm. There are some differences, as I watch him pop up his screen. His skills are a little better than mine in some spots, not as good in others, but overall very similar. There's really not much difference.
If I can remember (and I'm not sure on this for a fact, and the guide of course is wrong but I know I'm very close) Iksar starting Wis is 22
Edited, Wed Dec 1 04:20:13 2004 by Ivven
Edited, Wed Dec 1 04:21:00 2004 by Ivven
Ivven wrote:
My wisdom is 61 atm, at lvl 18. I have some nice gear though.
My lvl 19 Dark Elf husband irl (yes I'm female irl, don't fre...
My lvl 19 Dark Elf husband irl (yes I'm female irl, don't fre...
A GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRL!!! EWWWW!! FREAKING OOOOOOUT!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
<run in circles til I finally bumps into a wall and pass out>
Oh, thought you might find this interesting. I did once I sat down and compared.
Strength: 18 Alignment: Evil
Agility: 22 Starting City: East Freeport
Stamina: 18 Homeland: Kunark
Intelligence: 20 Language(s): Sebilisian
Wisdom: 22
Traditional Role(s): Fighter , Mage
These are game actual starting stats. These below are the OLD stats before they changed them right before the game was released. These are the stats you will see in your EQ2 booklet, but they are not the correct stats. All race stats were changed just before the game was released, and they didn't bother to update the book.
Str: 20
Agi: 20
Stamina: 25
Intelligence: 20
Wisdom: 15
Now, looking at the actual game stats .... eh, they have low strength...but their traditional role is fighter?? Heck, their Wis is higher than Int, but they're also traditional mages? SOE messed up a bit, methinks. Heck, they'd make better scouts than fighters or mages according to start out stats. Original stats do show them being more for fighter than Priest, most definately.
Bad for all those Iksar fighters who weren't aware of the Stat change. Good for me I guess, but I don't think it's very fair overall to everyone playing Iksar. At least they should have updated the book and put traditional role as Priest or Scout so as not to cheat people.
Edited, Wed Dec 1 15:22:49 2004 by Ivven
Strength: 18 Alignment: Evil
Agility: 22 Starting City: East Freeport
Stamina: 18 Homeland: Kunark
Intelligence: 20 Language(s): Sebilisian
Wisdom: 22
Traditional Role(s): Fighter , Mage
These are game actual starting stats. These below are the OLD stats before they changed them right before the game was released. These are the stats you will see in your EQ2 booklet, but they are not the correct stats. All race stats were changed just before the game was released, and they didn't bother to update the book.
Str: 20
Agi: 20
Stamina: 25
Intelligence: 20
Wisdom: 15
Now, looking at the actual game stats .... eh, they have low strength...but their traditional role is fighter?? Heck, their Wis is higher than Int, but they're also traditional mages? SOE messed up a bit, methinks. Heck, they'd make better scouts than fighters or mages according to start out stats. Original stats do show them being more for fighter than Priest, most definately.
Bad for all those Iksar fighters who weren't aware of the Stat change. Good for me I guess, but I don't think it's very fair overall to everyone playing Iksar. At least they should have updated the book and put traditional role as Priest or Scout so as not to cheat people.
Edited, Wed Dec 1 15:22:49 2004 by Ivven
Ack! I didnt realize they changed those SON OF A B****!!!!!!!!!!!!! My poor crusader! *weeps miserably* Must I delete another Avatar? I ditched a 14 brawler already now this? WHY GOD WHY! *ahem* sorry....but seriously.....if those are the actual starting stats then SOE really doesnt like iksars. Im pretty angered now. They were the only cool looking tank race in the game (ogres trolls and barbs are dumb looking). I thought my strengh seemed kinda low when I checked it after I did my crusader quest but I dismissed it as me just sucking at math.....man no love for iksars, first that crappy aquavision now this......I bet a gnome will make a better tank when SOE gets done with us.... 8(
Also after level 10 wild swing really does miss 50% of the time....we cant hit the broadside of a barn for gods sake.
Edited, Wed Dec 1 18:43:33 2004 by WasteOfSpace
Also after level 10 wild swing really does miss 50% of the time....we cant hit the broadside of a barn for gods sake.
Edited, Wed Dec 1 18:43:33 2004 by WasteOfSpace
IT'S LIKE BEING ELVAAN ALL OVER AGAIN NOoooOOOOooo!!!
I mean, starting stats mean little really.... if you can compensate with good gear... still. 18 str? Seems a bit low to me.
I mean, starting stats mean little really.... if you can compensate with good gear... still. 18 str? Seems a bit low to me.
Yeah Im a beast but still I feel gimped......dam you Sony dam you.....
18 is low for a GIANT FRICKIN LIZARD ya know? At least they didnt ***** with my stam....oh wait they did hmmm...didnt see that one coming, oh wait, yes i did. Ill live I guess but im anrgy none the less.
As for them caving in on aquavision....Im with ya, Ill petition once an hour till some justice is done for the iksar.
18 is low for a GIANT FRICKIN LIZARD ya know? At least they didnt ***** with my stam....oh wait they did hmmm...didnt see that one coming, oh wait, yes i did. Ill live I guess but im anrgy none the less.
As for them caving in on aquavision....Im with ya, Ill petition once an hour till some justice is done for the iksar.
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