group debt =(Follow

I can understand where you are coming from, as I feel the exact same way. However, Sony decided upon this system and will stick to it. The benefits of group debt are, however, much more valuable in Sony's view. Think of it this way in terms of numbers. If (in a party of 6) one member dies and loses 1200 xp, or because its shared, everyone loses 200xp, which is much quicker to gain back. Yet if everyone dies you all lose 1200. Therefore, TPWs will still mean full xp loss, while one member deaths (be it you or someone else) are meant to lessen the xp burden for all.

ie. You might be the one dying next time and someone else might be pissed at you. It works both ways erroden.

Personally I like the shared xp debt. It gives everyone in the group more incentive to keep your party alive. In beta healing was much harder, and because of poor tanks I died every other fight. When the party saw their own mounting xp debt they became more cautious, and my deaths became less frequent.

Granted they reduced the aggro from healing so its much easier now, but I still like the system. The only downside I see is that it will promote elitism eventually. You will only group with people you trust so morons will be left out in the cold.

To me, that is a plus. Prod people to actually LEARN how to play their class.

I don't see it as that bad. If someone dies and it doesn't look good run from the battle so you only loose that little bit of exp. Just look at final fantasy if you die you loose a massive amount of exp and it gets hard to get back and if you die enough you can loose your level. And you always loose 10% of your total exp so down the road 1 death could mean loosing 10K exp and most you can usually get is 250xp per kill and you always have to party.

I look at it as a good thing also. But, I'm coming from FFXI. Even though some people might call it elitism, it will make people boot party members that suck.

By suck, I don't mean newbie. Everyone is a newbie now except the beta folks for the most part. I'm thinking of times in FFXI where the white mage wasn't healing and the tank died, and then 2 minutes later the white mage comes back and goes "OMG, what happened? I just went AFK for a sandwich real quick.". Or the tank not provoking and saying he was watching TV and not really paying attention to the game. Things like this happened ALOT in FFXI, and people were always too nice to boot them, because usually it wasn't the leader that was dying.

hear, hear!!

Im not all that certain that SoE didnt up the raid xp, at least on raid required mobs. I wouldnt be surprised to see my xp bar jump a quarter or even half way to the next level on a dragon kill. Just something we'll have to see. They want to have incentive for people to group/raid other than just loot.

actually i am ready to bet that one year from now group exp debt dosent exist anymore

This is definately a good thing. It makes everyone pay more attention to everyone elses health status. I always hated that gung ho tank in EQ that kept diving in and pull MOB after MOB because he was temped to the hilt with no concern for the healers and wizzies that were mana depleted and 20% health. Now when that tank gets all hairbrained with steroids and his support gets killed he has to take some of the penelty for it.

As to piling up 3 gold bar in XP Debt like I saw mentioned somewhere erlier. That is not knowing when to cut your loses. If you are group leader then disband the moron that is drawing all the pulls and getting himself and / or everyone killed. If you are just a group member then /disband yourself and find another group. Happened to me today. Group started real good and we all finished several collection quests. Then one guy wants help killing a Named for his quest. We all troup over and he rushs in and draws 15 Orange^^ Aggros on us. We all die and before we know it he's running into them again and again. Dont know how long the rest of the group put up with him, but I was gone after his second run.

Just my 2SP (Like I doubt I ever SEE a GP much less PP).

Cyntinia
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I've gotten a lot of debt from people trying to run to the camp and getting mauled on the way. I'd say i've gotten debt this way 7 times, and the game came out 5 days ago.

Another time, a guy jumped to his death while I was in the group. We all thought it was incredibly funny, and started calling him "the fall guy", but still, I dont think I (we) deserved debt for that.

It would be nice if there were some way to distinguish between what kind of death woudl incur debt... perhaps range from the party to eliminate problems with people wandering off and dying, or dying while not looking where they are going.

It has some problems. However I also understand that the group should have to feel some pain when they let their healer die, or the tank lets the damage dealer get agro... lots of situations where it is kindof a good idea.

When you die, only a portion of your exp debt can paid by recovering your shard. This "shard" debt is not shared with your group. Only the portion you actually have to work off is shared. You are not affected in any way, positive or negative, by whether or not a group member recovers his shard.

Edited, Sat Nov 13 13:00:20 2004 by Pelendril

Just dont like it at all...would rather die and get a exp rez..now you die and get no exp back..its silly didnt like CoH's version either..why i quit playing..and i agree with most peoples opionins as to why they dont like it either.

I've also noticed that the person who died and gets their shard back does seem to end up with slightly less xp debt than a group member. I know there are arguments that this isn't so, and it'd be kind of difficult to prove or disprove without getting two cahrs of the same level two boxed and group, then have one die and recover and compare the pictures.

I personally think that it would make sense for the group members to suffer a slightly higher xp debt than the person who died, and here's why. When you die, you have to repair your gear. If things were balanced, then the people in the dead person's group would have their progress set back as much as the person who now has to spend 2s to fix all their junk. Or would people prefer if item damage was split up among the group as well?