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Howabout the animations though? Don't tell me daggers and katanas will use the same animations? Isn't that a bit of a step down from ffxi? As far as I know systems like glamours/transmogrify do not effect the animation. None of that makes any sense. I'm fairly sure that katanas will exist and only be equipped by NIN upon unlocking the job soul at ROG30. Up until then, you will use daggers. If they aren't two different weapon types with separate animations then SE is really slippin.

Find me a class > job where the fighting animation changes....

All of the other class>jobs use the same weapon. A katana not only looks completely different than a dagger, the way you strike with it is also completely different. If they really are considered the same thing and will share animations.. well then that is just silly and careless.

While they're at it, why don't they just add a knight class and have it evolve in to samurai. Then when we ask "why no DRK?", they can say because they're bad guys and samurai uses a 2h sword so same thing guys!1!11!

Edited, Jun 23rd 2014 1:45pm by Transmigration

The way they address thing is vague on purpose. Most likely because they don't know themselves, because it hasn't been a finalized position. If he is straight with us and says THF will never be in the game for example, people will always use what he says as fact... until the day he releases THF, and then he will look like a liar.

They're trained to answer those questions in that way because of that.... the fact that they are should at least be a sign they are still struggling to find a way to fit it into Eorzea.




There's not even different animations between races, that is correct. I WAS dissapointed at that difference about this game when I learned of it, but honestly it's a cosmetic thing and doesn't matter in the end.

There will be a wide variety of dagger looks, some will look like kunai, others will like like swords. (Just like the promotional video for NIN.) I will be content with what they give for it as it is still considered a dagger class.

I'm pretty sure it takes a lot of strain to have so many different animations... which they claimed plagued the PS2 making it impossible to add different weapons in the game because of the animations. They probably did it to avoid that issue from happening again. It's not that they don't care. Everything was done by choice. Sometimes being more efficient for the sake of the future matters more than instant visual gratification for their consumers.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2014 2:43pm by Stilivan

Tactics I think. You needed a certain minimum level of archer to unlock bard I think. Or maybe it was dancer.

Regardless, it was more a tongue in cheek response for me. FF has always been unique to the game, so expecting something because it's "tradition" is asking for trouble. If FF11 followed in that, then you'd need to be a DRK before you could become a PLD, and SMN couldn't sub WHM past level 20. So just as 11 had no obligation to follow 4, so does 14 have no obligation to follow 11.

My FF1 comment was meant to highlight the oddity in expecting previous games to determine how current games work. You gotta take each game as its own entity. Sure there is obviously some overlap (I.e. DRG has almost always had Jump as a skill), but it's better to look at each game on its own merits and let things flow from there.

That is normally what I do honestly.

I mean, if a FF15 (and I have no idea if the characters are even going to resemble classic jobs) character advanced from a Thief to a Ninja, you're not going to hear a peep from me.

I guess the reason I complain for FF14 is because it's been sold to us as "Final Fantasy Online" and it's nostalgia central. It's hard to suddenly say "it's its own entity" when we've already seen Lightning from FF13 in the game.

So if they're going the nostalgia/Final Fantasy Online/throwback route, then let me play as a character like Zidane. Aka the main character from the overall best Final Fantasy game to date.

Edited, Jun 23rd 2014 3:29pm by lass5

You've broken the Assume-o-Tron!

Seriously, we have all of 4 pictures and a few minutes of commentary on the subject. Maybe there'll never be an official Thief class in FFXIV. Maybe Thief is coming later as a branching path on the Rogue class the way Summoner and Scholar branched off from Arcanist. We don't know. I feel pretty confident in saying that this is not the last new class/job we're ever going to see though.

Let's be clear:

**Rogue has roots with Thief. Rogues are very similar to thieves. One can assume they will get a couple Rogue type abilities.

**Rogue turns into Ninja, like Gladiator turns into Paladin. Paladin can still use Gladiator abilities. Ninja can assumably use Rogue abilities.

**The rogue in the video was displayed using dagger like weapons while the ninja were using kunai like weapons. They were described to be weapons of the same class.

Therefore, Ninja will be very similar to Thief, and it is possible that it could replace the Thief job because it's not confirmed whether or not Rogue will get steal and other various things we know Thief would usually have.

So it isn't a stretch from Thief to Ninja in that regard. If Ninja plays so close to Thief, then there probably won't be a thief job. Will it matter then? At that point, it's just a label. It's not like all the armor you will get will be Ninja-y. Probably just the AF.

"It sucks that we're not getting the class that I want, even though we're getting the class that I want."

Dude, Ninja.. Thief.. it's the same **** at the end of the day. Just wear some thief looking gear and get over it.

Eh, does everything have to be so extreme?

We're getting a NIN. It MIGHT be similar to THF in many aspects. We still don't know. But that doesn't mean it bars THF from being in the game for forever, it's just not what this game needs for the time being as they probably feel. The game is young. Be patient my friend! Don't draw extremes from statements (it happens when we read too much into things.)

For now, NIN is good enough to appease dagger wielding awesome goodness.

Let's look at the core of this game though. You take a class and unlock a job at lv30 and you get a robust 5 abilities that differ from the class. If you follow that logic, the Rouge class will contain the majority of the abilities. These abilities probably include increased stealth, speed, dual wield,stealing, and trick attacks. If anything, people who like NIN should be upset because so many of the abilities will be THF in nature. However, as someone who's played FF since the beginning of the series, THF and NIN are basically one of the same. RNG and BRD are not, sorry to burst your bubble. Neither is WAR and DRK. Now Fighter and WAR yes, but that's probably due to translation reasons. FFXIV doesn't offer very good job diversity regardless. I'm still upset about how they made BRD out of archer instead of a true support class.

It's like comparing apples to oranges, which is actually a valid analysis. Apples and Oranges have some things in common but they aren't identical. Ninja and Thief have some things in common, but they aren't identical. White Mage and Blue Mage have some things in common, but they aren't identical.

Is one pair more similar than another pair? I have no idea. In general, there's no objective measurement for the similar-ness of two things.