Yes this is a serious question so I expect non trollling responses. Also by casually I dont mean you only play 1-2 hours a day because you have a wife, kids or more important things to do that only allow you to play 1-2 hours a day.... but more of.. lets say you have 5 hours a day to play... how do you spend two hours playing this (or w/e p2p mmo) then the other 3 hours playing some other game.. or go awhole week or month w/o playing at all despite having the time to?
The problem I have is as such. Since im actually payin monthly for this I feel obligated to play it like its the ONLY game I have (despite having well over 20+ brand new games that would say otherwise lol), because if not I feel like the money Im spending every month would be going to waste if my play time isnt spend playing this. Now you may say "then stop paying for a few month and use that time to play other things"). while that is very logical, the issue I have with that is falling behind. I dont play for a few months then Im so behind on content that now I need to do stuff that no one else is doing. Perfect example Ultima hard (i dont know the last time I seen that in PF) or Turn 3 which you need to complete at least one (as well as 1, 4 and 5) to gain access to 6, however try to DF for turn 3 and youll be in queue for 3+ hours (i know i tried it) mainly because not only does no one do it anymore, bu the fact that it doesnt drop anything so unlike 1-2 4-5 people have no reason to farm it for gear). I didnt start doing coil until the weekly lockout was removed and they were farmable, while I did get groups and win the other turns just fine turn was so horrible I literally had to buy a run/win from another FC just to get that one done... ive only ever seen Turn 3 in PF twice and even then no one ever joined the PF. So for that reason of being stuck on content no one is doing anymore is why Id have a problem quitting for a few months to catch up on other games. Now the other solution might be "Just get your Fc to help you with them when you come back" Only issue with that is Im not in an FC since this game doesnt give you much incentive to be in one and be social (with things like duty finder and PF.. unlike FFXI were pre abyssea and lvl cap raise no one was gonna form a shout group for HNM camping, limbus, dynamis or things like sky so if you wanted to experience endgame you HAD to be in a linkshell.) So anyone got any tips on how to solve my problem?
Another unrelated question. Imma brd with
Accuracy 494
crit hit rate 436
determination 269
Now my weapon has +40 acc and +26 skill speed
I wanna replace it with +31 crit hit rate and +22 (or +31) Determination.
Now Im guessing youd say keep the acc as im already not capped while swapping the skill speed with crit hit for bloodletter proc.. However increasing crit by 31 isnt gonna make me see a significant change in crit hit rate (i.e the obvious difference between a thf in FFXI's crit hit rate and everyone elses), also even if it did crit hitting every other shot (highly unlikely) doesnt guaranteed bloodletter will proc, just means I get more CHANCES for it to happen. But doesnt necessarily mean it will. Whereas a determination increase is a guaranteed high number standard damage than before the determination increase off EVERY shot, and if im hitting harder mean my DPS will increase right? Now Im not saying Im right otherwise i wouldnt be asking the question. Im just giving my thoughts on the matter and hoping some number cruncher may correct me on what it is I may not be seeing.
Lastly was Alexandrite introduced in this patch? If not it will be in 2.3 and we WILL need it for relic, which means there WILL be further relic upgrades in 2.3. However for those of us hoping it wouldnt be locked behind a weekly or daily lockout will be disappointed as according to Live letter Alexandrite will come from daily hunts.. and im guessing the hunts wouldnt be called DAILY hunts for no reason.
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I honestly don't understand why you are still playing this game. You don't seem to like much about it.
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Thayos wrote:
I honestly don't understand why you are still playing this game. You don't seem to like much about it.
thanks for doing exactly what I said not to do in the first sentence of my post. Also I dont play games I dont like. Just because I dont like SOME aspects of it or disagree with SOME of the choices the devs make doesnt mean i dislike EVERYTHING about it... after all if I hated the game (or disliked it) as much as you THINK I do.. like i said I have a backlog of 30+ games I havent even touched because I choose to play this everday... point is if i didnt lie it I have options.... 30 of em in fact.
Just because I dont think it offers the sense of accomplishment of other MMOs or a played other MMOs that i llike MORE and wish this was more like those doesnt mean I dont like it at all... now if this were my first mmo and thus I had nothing to compare it to Id think it was perfect (something you couldnt say about a game you thought was utter garbage) but however its not the only and first one Ive played soooo yeah.
Ok... let's reframe the question..
You pay for internet service. Your internet service is presumably not hard capped on the amount of data you can have each month (most of the US). Do you spend every free moment downloading something so you can be sure you're getting your money's worth?
I doubt it.
MMOs cost significantly less than internet service per month, and yet this is a common question. I don't see why it should be such a big deal whether you spend every free moment playing your subscription MMO or not. If you want to play, it's there for you. If you don't want to play, it's still there for you. Its value doesn't diminish if you don't play it at every opportunity.
I'm currently playing FFXIV casually. I play for a couple hours at night when I get home from work. I play more on my days off, but admittedly a lot of my time is spent standing around doing nothing while I watch something on Netflix or Youtube or whatever. It just plain doesn't bother me that I'm not devoting myself to an MMO and I don't feel like I'm wasting my money at all.
You pay for internet service. Your internet service is presumably not hard capped on the amount of data you can have each month (most of the US). Do you spend every free moment downloading something so you can be sure you're getting your money's worth?
I doubt it.
MMOs cost significantly less than internet service per month, and yet this is a common question. I don't see why it should be such a big deal whether you spend every free moment playing your subscription MMO or not. If you want to play, it's there for you. If you don't want to play, it's still there for you. Its value doesn't diminish if you don't play it at every opportunity.
I'm currently playing FFXIV casually. I play for a couple hours at night when I get home from work. I play more on my days off, but admittedly a lot of my time is spent standing around doing nothing while I watch something on Netflix or Youtube or whatever. It just plain doesn't bother me that I'm not devoting myself to an MMO and I don't feel like I'm wasting my money at all.
svlyons wrote:
If random outcomes aren't acceptable to you, then don't play with random people.
Your OP needs some focus. Ill just respond to what I read.
I play casually. I just go on and do what I want. If I feel like playing something else, then i'll do that. It's $13/month? How much is a movie again? With that being said, I don't feel pressured to play. I play when I play. If I don't play at all for weeks on end, then perhaps at that point I would consider unsubbibg.
I play casually. I just go on and do what I want. If I feel like playing something else, then i'll do that. It's $13/month? How much is a movie again? With that being said, I don't feel pressured to play. I play when I play. If I don't play at all for weeks on end, then perhaps at that point I would consider unsubbibg.
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DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
Thayos wrote:
I honestly don't understand why you are still playing this game. You don't seem to like much about it.
thanks for doing exactly what I said not to do in the first sentence of my post. Also I dont play games I dont like. Just because I dont like SOME aspects of it or disagree with SOME of the choices the devs make doesnt mean i dislike EVERYTHING about it...
Then how about you quit complaining about everything and talk about the positives, or hell, even just give your opinions on what you'd want to change instead of constantly whining and moaning, and making up thread titles about something else so that you can still complain, but try and make it look like you aren't.
Oh, and as for your question... just because you're paying 12-15 bucks a month doesn't meant it has to be the ONLY game you play. It's 12-15 bucks to see a singular movie that lasts at most 3 hours, or 2 drinks at a bar, or 9 holes of golf. Do you play more than 3 hours a month? There's your answer.
Edited, Jun 6th 2014 1:02am by BartelX
Archmage Callinon wrote:
Ok... let's reframe the question..
You pay for internet service. Your internet service is presumably not hard capped on the amount of data you can have each month (most of the US). Do you spend every free moment downloading something so you can be sure you're getting your money's worth?
I doubt it.
MMOs cost significantly less than internet service per month, and yet this is a common question. I don't see why it should be such a big deal whether you spend every free moment playing your subscription MMO or not. If you want to play, it's there for you. If you don't want to play, it's still there for you. Its value doesn't diminish if you don't play it at every opportunity.
I'm currently playing FFXIV casually. I play for a couple hours at night when I get home from work. I play more on my days off, but admittedly a lot of my time is spent standing around doing nothing while I watch something on Netflix or Youtube or whatever. It just plain doesn't bother me that I'm not devoting myself to an MMO and I don't feel like I'm wasting my money at all.
You pay for internet service. Your internet service is presumably not hard capped on the amount of data you can have each month (most of the US). Do you spend every free moment downloading something so you can be sure you're getting your money's worth?
I doubt it.
MMOs cost significantly less than internet service per month, and yet this is a common question. I don't see why it should be such a big deal whether you spend every free moment playing your subscription MMO or not. If you want to play, it's there for you. If you don't want to play, it's still there for you. Its value doesn't diminish if you don't play it at every opportunity.
I'm currently playing FFXIV casually. I play for a couple hours at night when I get home from work. I play more on my days off, but admittedly a lot of my time is spent standing around doing nothing while I watch something on Netflix or Youtube or whatever. It just plain doesn't bother me that I'm not devoting myself to an MMO and I don't feel like I'm wasting my money at all.
Archmage Callinon wrote:
Ok... let's reframe the question..
You pay for internet service. Your internet service is presumably not hard capped on the amount of data you can have each month (most of the US). Do you spend every free moment downloading something so you can be sure you're getting your money's worth?
I doubt it.
MMOs cost significantly less than internet service per month, and yet this is a common question. I don't see why it should be such a big deal whether you spend every free moment playing your subscription MMO or not. If you want to play, it's there for you. If you don't want to play, it's still there for you. Its value doesn't diminish if you don't play it at every opportunity.
I'm currently playing FFXIV casually. I play for a couple hours at night when I get home from work. I play more on my days off, but admittedly a lot of my time is spent standing around doing nothing while I watch something on Netflix or Youtube or whatever. It just plain doesn't bother me that I'm not devoting myself to an MMO and I don't feel like I'm wasting my money at all.
You pay for internet service. Your internet service is presumably not hard capped on the amount of data you can have each month (most of the US). Do you spend every free moment downloading something so you can be sure you're getting your money's worth?
I doubt it.
MMOs cost significantly less than internet service per month, and yet this is a common question. I don't see why it should be such a big deal whether you spend every free moment playing your subscription MMO or not. If you want to play, it's there for you. If you don't want to play, it's still there for you. Its value doesn't diminish if you don't play it at every opportunity.
I'm currently playing FFXIV casually. I play for a couple hours at night when I get home from work. I play more on my days off, but admittedly a lot of my time is spent standing around doing nothing while I watch something on Netflix or Youtube or whatever. It just plain doesn't bother me that I'm not devoting myself to an MMO and I don't feel like I'm wasting my money at all.
well first off thank you for actually answering the question. Now as for your internet example.. no I may not download stuff on the internet everyday but i an assure you im USING the internet everyday (i mean heck im posting on here everyday for example) so as far as internet goes my money isnt going to waste, also everything else i pay monthly for is getting used daily to. So yeah.
Edited, Jun 6th 2014 12:06am by DuoMaxwellxx
BartelX wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
Thayos wrote:
I honestly don't understand why you are still playing this game. You don't seem to like much about it.
thanks for doing exactly what I said not to do in the first sentence of my post. Also I dont play games I dont like. Just because I dont like SOME aspects of it or disagree with SOME of the choices the devs make doesnt mean i dislike EVERYTHING about it...
Oh, and as for your question... just because you're paying 12-15 bucks a month doesn't meant it has to be the ONLY game you play. It's 12-15 bucks to see a singular movie that lasts at most 3 hours, or 2 drinks at a bar, or 9 holes of golf. Do you play more than 3 hours a month? There's your answer.
Edited, Jun 6th 2014 1:02am by BartelX
Well if you put it that way you make a 100% valid point so that indeed erases the "money going to waste part" But now how about the being behind if you quit for weeks or months and then when you get back cant get anything done because everyone has moved on from those things (like the two examples I gave) part?
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
BartelX wrote:
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
Thayos wrote:
I honestly don't understand why you are still playing this game. You don't seem to like much about it.
thanks for doing exactly what I said not to do in the first sentence of my post. Also I dont play games I dont like. Just because I dont like SOME aspects of it or disagree with SOME of the choices the devs make doesnt mean i dislike EVERYTHING about it...
Oh, and as for your question... just because you're paying 12-15 bucks a month doesn't meant it has to be the ONLY game you play. It's 12-15 bucks to see a singular movie that lasts at most 3 hours, or 2 drinks at a bar, or 9 holes of golf. Do you play more than 3 hours a month? There's your answer.
Edited, Jun 6th 2014 1:02am by BartelX
Well if you put it that way you make a 100% valid point so that indeed erases the "money going to waste part" But now how about the being behind if you quit for weeks or months and then when you get back cant get anything done because everyone has moved on from those things (like the two examples I gave) part?
I can't tell you how much you need to play to be happy but not disgruntled. That's something you have to decide for yourself. All I can tell you is that you don't HAVE to play every day, and feeling like you do is probably a big part of the reason why you are always so negative and pissed off about stuff in game. Clearly you're playing to the point where it's no longer fun, it's just because you want to "make it worthwhile". Drop that mentality and you'll probably enjoy the game much more. It's not a job, it's a game you play to have fun.
How do you play a P2P game casually you ask? For one, by choosing to let go of made-up "issues" that are "stopping" you from playing the game casually:
Also..
One could go as far as to outrageously claim that the solution to the problem you described is an incentive to be in a Free Company. In other words you list an obvious incentive to join an FC then say that you have no incentive to join an FC.
From 2.1 to 2.2 you had three months to do Ultima before it became harder to find groups for. You could have easily played for just one month and cleared/farmed the encounter to your heart's content. Case in point: I took at month+ break in December, being level 40, and came back at the end of January playing casually and clearing Ultima HM easily before 2.2.
Turn 3 is an oversight and not the norm (there is no equivalent in Coil2).
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Since im actually payin monthly for this I feel obligated to play it like its the ONLY game I have (despite having well over 20+ brand new games that would say otherwise lol), because if not I feel like the money Im spending every month would be going to waste if my play time isnt spend playing this.
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Now the other solution might be "Just get your Fc to help you with them when you come back" Only issue with that is Im not in an FC since this game doesnt give you much incentive to be in one and be social
One could go as far as to outrageously claim that the solution to the problem you described is an incentive to be in a Free Company. In other words you list an obvious incentive to join an FC then say that you have no incentive to join an FC.
From 2.1 to 2.2 you had three months to do Ultima before it became harder to find groups for. You could have easily played for just one month and cleared/farmed the encounter to your heart's content. Case in point: I took at month+ break in December, being level 40, and came back at the end of January playing casually and clearing Ultima HM easily before 2.2.
Turn 3 is an oversight and not the norm (there is no equivalent in Coil2).
Your very question is pointive, implying you view those who do play casually as wasting their money. That's the wrong way to start a discussion on this.
People value time and freedom differently. I don't pay because I expect to be in the game every day. I pay to help continue the updates to the game and I get a membership in turn for that. It's my choice how I enjoy that membership and if I don't then It's my option to shut it off. (Though in my case I know I'll enjoy it for the long haul for various reasons and I pay for multiple months up front knowing that.)
How I spend that time? Or whether or not I 'make the best of what I pay for' is wholly subjective, and based on people's playstyle. What matters more is if you enjoy your time, and if your enjoyment, not your time spent, is worth to value of membership. Even if you play sparsely, if you're enjoying yourself to your own value of your subscription cost, then you've met your own quota. It matters little what your actual progression is.
A good portion of my enjoyment has nothing to do with the progression of the game at all: Role-playing. For me it highlights the sense of community, story, and enviroment that I have loved in the Final Fantasy series since childhood, and it is very much 'casual' in terms of progression, as it does nothing for the bottom line performance boost of my character.
So, your malmage, and your enjoyment may vary wildly. If you're honestly not enjoying the game, maybe a playstyle change is best for you. But... in the end it comes down to being your own judge, not letting the pressures of the top end of the game get to you.
Edited, Jun 6th 2014 1:35am by Hyrist
People value time and freedom differently. I don't pay because I expect to be in the game every day. I pay to help continue the updates to the game and I get a membership in turn for that. It's my choice how I enjoy that membership and if I don't then It's my option to shut it off. (Though in my case I know I'll enjoy it for the long haul for various reasons and I pay for multiple months up front knowing that.)
How I spend that time? Or whether or not I 'make the best of what I pay for' is wholly subjective, and based on people's playstyle. What matters more is if you enjoy your time, and if your enjoyment, not your time spent, is worth to value of membership. Even if you play sparsely, if you're enjoying yourself to your own value of your subscription cost, then you've met your own quota. It matters little what your actual progression is.
A good portion of my enjoyment has nothing to do with the progression of the game at all: Role-playing. For me it highlights the sense of community, story, and enviroment that I have loved in the Final Fantasy series since childhood, and it is very much 'casual' in terms of progression, as it does nothing for the bottom line performance boost of my character.
So, your malmage, and your enjoyment may vary wildly. If you're honestly not enjoying the game, maybe a playstyle change is best for you. But... in the end it comes down to being your own judge, not letting the pressures of the top end of the game get to you.
Edited, Jun 6th 2014 1:35am by Hyrist
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But now how about the being behind if you quit for weeks or months and then when you get back cant get anything done because everyone has moved on from those things (like the two examples I gave)
There's actually a whole other thread going on talking about catch-up mechanisms.
I quit the game for six months.. I came back.. I'm basically caught up at this point. It wasn't THAT big a deal, and there are still people at every level of progression to get your stuff done with.
Now ask that question again in 5 years, the answer may be different. But right now catching up after a long break is completely reasonable.
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Well, there's your first mistake
what so youre saying ppl on herd are incapable of being trolls? Well you said it not me lol
If you feel obligated to play because you paid $12 rather than playing to have fun, then that's a personal issue you need to work out. You're overthinking it.
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Posted: Jun 06 2014 at 1:14 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Well, lets run with your example:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Stilivan wrote:
I play casually. I just go on and do what I want. If I feel like playing something else, then i'll do that. It's $13/month? How much is a movie again?
Well, lets run with your example:
SE released a partially complete movie which essentially just a 'spoof' of other movies. They want you to spend $13 to go see it every month, but they only add new scenes every 3-4 months.
Whether they want you to spend $13 dollars every month or not hardly matters if they don't do much to stop you from enjoying the new scenes by only paying for the months that introduce new "scenes".
I play casually due to commitments outside of the game, and I'm sure if I had more time I would play more...
However, I pay for the sub in 6 monthly blocks, so it works out cheaper per month than already stated, and it works out ridiculously good value for money. Here's an example. I pay £40ish per 6 months for FFXIV:ARR and that allows me unlimited access with all patches bundled in for free. Or I could pay £55 for a new release on the ps4, complete the main scenario in 20hrs and have to pay additional money for any content released post vanilla (or in some cases, to pay for content already on disk). See the difference?
The amount you feel you need to play to get your money's worth is subjective and is something that has been argued over since the P2P model was first introduced. Some people don't feel the cost is justified unless all their available gaming time is used to play, others like myself look purely at the cost of the actual sub, and to me, <£10 a month to play a game I enjoy fully (contrary to the opinions of a lot of people) is amazing value for money. Especially when you consider I play probably 15-20hrs a week, so roughly 80-100hrs per month, for 1/5th of the cost of a 20hr full retail release.
However, I pay for the sub in 6 monthly blocks, so it works out cheaper per month than already stated, and it works out ridiculously good value for money. Here's an example. I pay £40ish per 6 months for FFXIV:ARR and that allows me unlimited access with all patches bundled in for free. Or I could pay £55 for a new release on the ps4, complete the main scenario in 20hrs and have to pay additional money for any content released post vanilla (or in some cases, to pay for content already on disk). See the difference?
The amount you feel you need to play to get your money's worth is subjective and is something that has been argued over since the P2P model was first introduced. Some people don't feel the cost is justified unless all their available gaming time is used to play, others like myself look purely at the cost of the actual sub, and to me, <£10 a month to play a game I enjoy fully (contrary to the opinions of a lot of people) is amazing value for money. Especially when you consider I play probably 15-20hrs a week, so roughly 80-100hrs per month, for 1/5th of the cost of a 20hr full retail release.
Hyanmen wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Stilivan wrote:
I play casually. I just go on and do what I want. If I feel like playing something else, then i'll do that. It's $13/month? How much is a movie again?
Well, lets run with your example:
SE released a partially complete movie which essentially just a 'spoof' of other movies. They want you to spend $13 to go see it every month, but they only add new scenes every 3-4 months.
Whether they want you to spend $13 dollars every month or not hardly matters if they don't do much to stop you from enjoying the new scenes by only paying for the months that introduce new "scenes".
'3 easy installments of just $13 for an update' isn't enough of a deterrent
If players actually received monthly updates (/poke FFXI) then at least you could say you get something every time you pay them. That isn't the case in ARR. It's their expectation that they're giving 'extremely casual' players 3 months of content at a time. I feel like if I were to maintain a subscription fee, I should be paying for 3 months of service at a time.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
I play a Subscription Based Game Casually the same way I play One Time Cost or Free To Play Games Casually. I find things in the game that I enjoy and that I don't have to play for 4 hours a day in a Raid Group. Here's how I play FFXIV Casually.
- I'll see how many equal level monsters I can kill before my Chain Bonus goes away. So far I've gotten it to 7,
-I've started Oxide's Free Pet Emporium which started out with me buying a handful of pets to give away and turned into a massive outpouring of players donating their own unused pets so that other players may have them.
-I do Duty Roulette on every class I have leveled at least once.
-I craft HQ items and sell them at 50% off the current Market Board prices
-Most of all I play casually because that is how the game was meant to be played. YoshiP has gone on record saying this.
- I'll see how many equal level monsters I can kill before my Chain Bonus goes away. So far I've gotten it to 7,
-I've started Oxide's Free Pet Emporium which started out with me buying a handful of pets to give away and turned into a massive outpouring of players donating their own unused pets so that other players may have them.
-I do Duty Roulette on every class I have leveled at least once.
-I craft HQ items and sell them at 50% off the current Market Board prices
-Most of all I play casually because that is how the game was meant to be played. YoshiP has gone on record saying this.
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
Hyanmen wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
Stilivan wrote:
I play casually. I just go on and do what I want. If I feel like playing something else, then i'll do that. It's $13/month? How much is a movie again?
Well, lets run with your example:
SE released a partially complete movie which essentially just a 'spoof' of other movies. They want you to spend $13 to go see it every month, but they only add new scenes every 3-4 months.
Whether they want you to spend $13 dollars every month or not hardly matters if they don't do much to stop you from enjoying the new scenes by only paying for the months that introduce new "scenes".
'3 easy installments of just $13 for an update' isn't enough of a deterrent
If players actually received monthly updates (/poke FFXI) then at least you could say you get something every time you pay them. That isn't the case in ARR. It's their expectation that they're giving 'extremely casual' players 3 months of content at a time. I feel like if I were to maintain a subscription fee, I should be paying for 3 months of service at a time.
Yeah it would be nice if players received monthly updates (*cough patches 2.21, 2.25, 2.28 *cough). It's too bad that isn't the case in ARR /endsarcasm.
Either way, if there is content for a month nothing stops anyone from only paying only $13 dollars for every major update, or even $13 for 4 major updates if you choose to play one month a year. The ball is completely on the player and everyone is free to basically pay as little as they want to enjoy the new content. It's an excellent deal to the consumer so let's stop pretending like it isn't.
XI is doing a lot of little patches but they are still only releasing the storyline once ever three months. We finished the latest infusion of Seekers storyline in a single weekend. (The two biggest slowdowns were 1. Winning rock paper scissors in a best of five against an NPC, that took me about an hour and 2. Getting to the ******* fight in Kamir Drifts because SE decided that Yorcea Weald and Cirdas Caverns weren't difficult enough zones to navigate and decided to go a step further. Half the map is invisible.)
Back in my first virtual world, we paid $2 an hour. TWO DOLLARS AN HOUR. When they finally went to a flat rate billing system, it was $20 a month. And it wasn't a game, it was just a glorified chat room in 256 colors. But I spent hours there just hanging out.
Here is another way of looking at it: I pay $30 a month for a gym membership. Do I feel obligated to spend all my free time at the gym? Of course not. I don't even go every day, just three times a week. Am I not getting my money's worth? Well, the cost for me to purchase an elliptical like the ones they have would be about $5000. So yes, I think I am getting my money's worth since it would take me twenty years to pay for that myself at the rate of $30 a month, not including maintenance.
Also, when you are not playing, the game is still doing stuff for you. My retainers are dutifully scrounging the beaches for junk, some of which can be very valuable. They are also keeping all my goods for sale on the market boards. Even if you value those services at just a penny an hour, it covers half the cost of the subscription by itself.
Back in my first virtual world, we paid $2 an hour. TWO DOLLARS AN HOUR. When they finally went to a flat rate billing system, it was $20 a month. And it wasn't a game, it was just a glorified chat room in 256 colors. But I spent hours there just hanging out.
Here is another way of looking at it: I pay $30 a month for a gym membership. Do I feel obligated to spend all my free time at the gym? Of course not. I don't even go every day, just three times a week. Am I not getting my money's worth? Well, the cost for me to purchase an elliptical like the ones they have would be about $5000. So yes, I think I am getting my money's worth since it would take me twenty years to pay for that myself at the rate of $30 a month, not including maintenance.
Also, when you are not playing, the game is still doing stuff for you. My retainers are dutifully scrounging the beaches for junk, some of which can be very valuable. They are also keeping all my goods for sale on the market boards. Even if you value those services at just a penny an hour, it covers half the cost of the subscription by itself.
Well like I said Ive already been enlightened with the "15 dollars for a movie thats only 3 hours" argument SO we're passed the "if im not playing everyday I feel like im wasting my money" part (which btw i dont pay monthly i pay in 6 month blocks)
So NOW were on the "being behind on stuff (and not being able to find ppl to complete it with) If i stop playing for months", the question I asked regarding stats and the comment I made on Alexandrite, so lets shift focus to those now shall we?
Also as far as the playing for enjoyment and not liking the game/treating it like work. Well thats the thing if I didnt like the game or wasnt enoying it why would I CARE about falling behind or not being able to complete certain content thats considered old and no one else is doing?
So NOW were on the "being behind on stuff (and not being able to find ppl to complete it with) If i stop playing for months", the question I asked regarding stats and the comment I made on Alexandrite, so lets shift focus to those now shall we?
Also as far as the playing for enjoyment and not liking the game/treating it like work. Well thats the thing if I didnt like the game or wasnt enoying it why would I CARE about falling behind or not being able to complete certain content thats considered old and no one else is doing?
Dont really think theres a need to compare this to any rl spending issue. It really has nothing to do with it, its simply your personality.
Nothing wrong with feeing this way, its just the way your persoanlly interprets the value of the subscription versus the content you can achieve.
No rl example/comparison will change how you feel, only your own personal perception can do that.
if you dont have the time to play as much as you think needs to be then honestly i wouldnt stay and create any aggrevation for myself .......Oo
I play ffxiv, ffxi and rift casually ...I am working on new dimensions in rift at times, getting my reforged af through AA fights in ffxi...and got my first ink towards the relic quest in 14 yesterday. I am always always behind the majority lol but to me thats OK...I dont try to do every bit of content, i play for my satisfaction, never to feel pressured to compete with others, lol what anyone ele has done or aquired is totally irrelevant to me.
i never did coil, never 1 extreme... but again...its cool, i still am rocking as blm, brd and whm with my commendation mount finally yay lol and will definately achieve my novus at one point for my main job. maybe down the road i will try for a second.
each game no matter what the costs makes me happy in some way, enough for me personally to pay for them. if i was unhappy at all i simply quit those ones.
I did very few abyssea zone bosses in ffxi, have very few atma...refuse to be a part of deleve elitists yet im still having fun with a few main jobs in 11 and having alot of fun on my current project .
you dont NEED to achieve every possible fight/goal in any game to get ahead and still do very well so again its all up to your own perception. IF you feel the need to do it all and only have the best of the best, then sadly casual will cause you anguish just gotta decide if the heartache is worth it ...not so much he money.
Hope you find a solution :o)
Nothing wrong with feeing this way, its just the way your persoanlly interprets the value of the subscription versus the content you can achieve.
No rl example/comparison will change how you feel, only your own personal perception can do that.
if you dont have the time to play as much as you think needs to be then honestly i wouldnt stay and create any aggrevation for myself .......Oo
I play ffxiv, ffxi and rift casually ...I am working on new dimensions in rift at times, getting my reforged af through AA fights in ffxi...and got my first ink towards the relic quest in 14 yesterday. I am always always behind the majority lol but to me thats OK...I dont try to do every bit of content, i play for my satisfaction, never to feel pressured to compete with others, lol what anyone ele has done or aquired is totally irrelevant to me.
i never did coil, never 1 extreme... but again...its cool, i still am rocking as blm, brd and whm with my commendation mount finally yay lol and will definately achieve my novus at one point for my main job. maybe down the road i will try for a second.
each game no matter what the costs makes me happy in some way, enough for me personally to pay for them. if i was unhappy at all i simply quit those ones.
I did very few abyssea zone bosses in ffxi, have very few atma...refuse to be a part of deleve elitists yet im still having fun with a few main jobs in 11 and having alot of fun on my current project .
you dont NEED to achieve every possible fight/goal in any game to get ahead and still do very well so again its all up to your own perception. IF you feel the need to do it all and only have the best of the best, then sadly casual will cause you anguish just gotta decide if the heartache is worth it ...not so much he money.
Hope you find a solution :o)
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It's easy. I log in once a day, tank a roulette Expert, takes me 20 minutes total.
On the weekend I might put in more time, go fail some more Titan EX's or grind some coil greed parties for other jobs, send retainer out, etc. I'm not stressing about the new content, because I don't feel the need to kill myself when the content will get nerfed. I'm having fun doing the older content at a casual pace, and slowly getting more ilvl100 gear.
And yes, I have plenty of gaming time. I probably spend like 20-30 hours a week gaming. I don't mean to sound condescending but... the monthly fee is completely unnoticeable to me. I spend more per week on drinks and chips from 7-11 during work.
PS: Why would you PAY for a t3 run, when you can START a Party Finder? How do you think those parties get started!?
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PS: Why would you PAY for a t3 run, when you can START a Party Finder? How do you think those parties get started!?
I don't get it either. And people are complaining that this game doesn't encourage socializing.
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