FFXIV: Underwhelming PS4 Retail SalesFollow

They didn't announce that the PS4 version would be free to PS3 players until after the game was live and the majority of copies had already sold (see other thread for link). Could you assume it might be free? Sure, but knowing SE and based on articles like this, that wasn't a guarantee. And since there wasn't even a release date for the PS4 version when the game launched, and not everyone with a PS3 copy even bought a PS4 (evident by their sales figures so far), your assumptions in that regard are pretty far-fetched and inaccurate.

Now, if you're simply talking about the fact that many of the PS4 players upgraded from a PS3 for free, thus hindering box sales of PS4, I completely agree with you and was never arguing against that. In fact, I rated up your post where you described that, as it is absolutely true and part of the reason sales were probably a tad lower than they could be. I re-read your post like 4 times and really am not sure if this is what you are talking about here, but if so, this is not our argument.

As far as rhetoric, I'm just going to leave that one alone and let others decide for themselves. As you would say, it's "common sense".

Edited, May 6th 2014 3:01pm by BartelX

Yes, it was. And the time it was announced, roughly September 13th, is well after the launch of the game, which is well after the time most people had already purchased the PS3 version.

You can't make that claim any more than you accuse Prime of doing (which he's not, by the way). You have no statistics to back the claim up. That claim being, "PS3 sales had mostly completed their life cycle by the time SE announced the PS4 upgrade".

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/35098/final-fantasy-xiv-a-realm-reborn/Global/

There were 470k units that shipped prior to the announcement. And ~280k that have shipped in the entire time since, and it's a guarantee that not all of those were PS4 upgrades. Now, I will admit that I really didn't realize there were that many games that had sold since the announcement, I actually thought it was more like a 4:1 ratio, so I admit that I was a little over zealous.



Yes, and I never said it didn't have any effect. What I said was, the majority of players had already purchased the game on PS3 before they even made the announcement or knew of the announcement, which is absolutely true. I never said it had no impact. Obviously there were people who bought it for the free upgrade. But there were many more people who bought the PS3 version simply to play on PS3 even if you assumed that all of the ~280k upgraded, which they didn't.

Nope, I can't put a number on that, but I was never trying to. All I was trying to do was point out that there is a large portion of PS3 sales that were made prior to the PS4 upgrade announcement. In your initial post, you made it seem like no one bought it specifically for ps3, and I was pointing out that this was not the case at all. But apparently something as simple as that has turned into a massive debate. Are we really that bored?


I know I am...

Edited, May 6th 2014 12:50am by BartelX

I concede to your point, BartelX, and thank you for being accepting and open to mine.

So me misspeaking in one post and saying units shipped instead of sales apparently invalidates the data? Why don't you look at the actual data I provided. Those are the sales figures, I just wrote units shipped because it was around midnight when I posted and the vgchartz page mentions units. You knew exactly what I was talking about, and you know that the numbers I cited prove that the majority of PS3 copies were purchased before a PS4 upgrade was even announced.

That's what I was trying to point out to you since the very beginning, when you made a blanket statement about PS3 to PS4 upgrades. As I pointed out in that first response, I was simply correcting your inaccurately weighted assumption, that the PS3 was essentially a PS4 upgrade copy, which for 100's of thousands of players, it absolutely was not. Somehow you devolved it into whatever this mess is, and then tried to change the argument by claiming things I never even said or implied (that the free upgrade had no effect on ps3 or ps4 box sales, which I've repeatedly said it does).

It's rather sad that your rhetoric has now degraded to "You used the wrong word in a post, your argument is therefore wrong!" Heck, you still don't seem to understand my point after having it spelled out several times, so let's please just let this die. It's silly and going nowhere.




Edited, May 6th 2014 10:51am by BartelX

I doubt it because as far as I can tell while Preludes posts are a lot of negative opinions and "information" the amount of personal attacks are coming mostly from others.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that it can be annoying and tiresome trying to argue with someone who you think is borderline trolling, but two wrongs does not make a right.

Frankly with him, I'm beyond the point of insults. All my concerns are actually genuine concerns, which makes this situation all the more sad.

When something like this goes on this long, you really gotta question why. This is far behind what would be considered healthy, even for intellectual debates.

No, You get a reply from me instead.

Preludes, You've been warned. You've been asked nicely, and now, you've crossed too many lines. You are banned effective immediately. I'm tired of dealing with it. Do NOT make a sock puppet account to circumvent our ban function in violation of the terms of service you agreed to when creating your account, and I'm annoyed with dealing with this to the point where I will make a formal complaint of it to your ISP.

We're done here.

Administrator Kaolian

So that just happened.

Wow, my hump day just gained an additional level of enjoyment.