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#202 Apr 30 2014 at 5:23 PM Rating: Good
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I don't mind people using parsers and plug-ins and all that junk, but what exactly does Twintracker do?

Since I'm on the PS4, as are a great many other people, I have no idea.


Supposedly, it's an add-on which gives you timers on precisely when Twintania will do attacks like Divebombs and Conflags.

You don't need Twintracker. Focus Target Twintania and you can see everything you need to. Make the Focus Target window 140% and set it near the middle of your screen or somewhere you look frequently.

The castbar for Divebombs will appear so you can sufficiently dodge as well as the cast bar for Twisters to be able to dodge them.

Edited, Apr 30th 2014 4:26pm by UltKnightGrover
#203 Apr 30 2014 at 6:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gnu wrote:
HitomeOfBismarck wrote:
Anyways, like I said: the offer still stands. We could all queue into DF at the same time and hope to end up in the same group. Only thing that would be required is a voice chat to set up the initial matchmaking.

Might be fun to have a ZAM get together day for those of us on different servers.


Let's set it up!

Would you be willing to take lead on this? Let's make new thread setting date/time (Friday night? Late-ish? 9:00pm CNT?) and asking for people who are interested. Between you and I, we can find some voice chat server that everyone has access to. Skype probably the easiest for this. Still invite people without access to voice chat, although that will be more difficult to initially setup in DF.

Is Leviathan in DF? I don't think so yet. Maybe test this out on something simple like T1-T2 farming. The problem I've had trying to pull this off is that if one person goes to the wrong group in DF, they can't leave right away because of lock-out timer.

Even if this only partially works it would still be cool. What say you?


That would be fun. :) We'd need to figure out when everyone is free. Friday is pretty free for me pending raids/time with SO.

I would like to try out the cross-server DF stuff before we get everyone roped into this, though. Not even sure it will work. We could all potentially queue into a time zone that isn't in its prime time (for instance, for 9 EST we could use German or French languages) which would increase the probability of all getting into the same DF. The uncertain thing, for me, is if we are actually stuck on the European datacenter if we do that or if it uses matchmaking to put us at the closest datacenter. I don't want lag to interrupt us...but when I queue with JP and EU players, I normally don't lag.

Perhaps you and I can test it, Gnu? And anyone else interested.

And like you said there is a problem for people who get plopped into the wrong DF. We can remedy this by queuing at the same time and calling out when our queue pops. If not everyone has the queue pop, then we withdraw. This could be problematic for tanks and healers, potentially.

I would ideally like to get people through Titan Ex from those who have said they cannot find a PF group for it. T5 can come after.

Edited, Apr 30th 2014 8:44pm by HitomeOfBismarck
#204 Apr 30 2014 at 8:53 PM Rating: Good
HitomeOfBismarck wrote:
Friday is pretty free for me pending raids/time with SO.

I would like to try out the cross-server DF stuff before we get everyone roped into this, though. Not even sure it will work. We could all potentially queue into a time zone that isn't in its prime time (for instance, for 9 EST we could use German or French languages) which would increase the probability of all getting into the same DF. The uncertain thing, for me, is if we are actually stuck on the European datacenter if we do that or if it uses matchmaking to put us at the closest datacenter. I don't want lag to interrupt us...but when I queue with JP and EU players, I normally don't lag.

Perhaps you and I can test it, Gnu? And anyone else interested.

And like you said there is a problem for people who get plopped into the wrong DF. We can remedy this by queuing at the same time and calling out when our queue pops. If not everyone has the queue pop, then we withdraw. This could be problematic for tanks and healers, potentially.

I would ideally like to get people through Titan Ex from those who have said they cannot find a PF group for it. T5 can come after.


Ok, let's test it that day. I'll send you a PM here on ZAM that evening to confim, 9pm EST (8pm CNT) Preferred voice chat?

Anyone else?
#205 Apr 30 2014 at 8:59 PM Rating: Good
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Friday @ 9pm EST is good for me too, but I'm not up there Yet, but hopefully when I get up there you guys are still doing this lol.
#206 May 01 2014 at 2:11 AM Rating: Good
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If you have Steam, you can add me:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/RedMageMithra/

We can try next Friday pending what people have planned. My FC's group 2 has people out of town so some of us need to fill in for them. Don't know the specifics at this date but will keep you up to date.

If you don't have Steam, feel free to message me Gnu.

Lyrailis, where exactly are you? Progression-wise I mean. Do you mean not ready for a fight or haven't unlocked something? We can work around it.

I'd offer to use my FC's TS3 server for voice chat but you may find things a bit disturbing in there. lol I can use anything you'd like: Vent/Mumble/TS3.

Edited, May 1st 2014 4:12am by HitomeOfBismarck
#207 May 01 2014 at 5:14 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not even 50 yet, but I plan on jumping up several levels here shortly (within the week).

Currently @39 about to do Stone Vigil. I took a break on my leveling path because some of my stuff (namely jewelry) had fallen behind and tank jewelry just was not dropping from dungeons whatsoever at all, nor were quests rewarding any. My GSM got high enough to make half of the jewelry last night, and another level should get me caught up, should easily be enough to get me up to mid-to-high 40s from there and I'm also building up a bunch of leves so I can bump a craft or two up a few levels (again! lol) when my PLD gets a little higher.

Hoping to be at 50 and able to do endgame content here within a few weeks or so, depending on how much stuff exactly needs done.
#208 May 01 2014 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not even 50 yet, but I plan on jumping up several levels here shortly (within the week).

Currently @39 about to do Stone Vigil. I took a break on my leveling path because some of my stuff (namely jewelry) had fallen behind and tank jewelry just was not dropping from dungeons whatsoever at all, nor were quests rewarding any. My GSM got high enough to make half of the jewelry last night, and another level should get me caught up, should easily be enough to get me up to mid-to-high 40s from there and I'm also building up a bunch of leves so I can bump a craft or two up a few levels (again! lol) when my PLD gets a little higher.

Hoping to be at 50 and able to do endgame content here within a few weeks or so, depending on how much stuff exactly needs done.


All of the jewelry is in Cutter's Cry.

Sounds good Hitome, not this week but next? Ok. I'll checkout Steam, haven't used it for msg'ing yet.

On topic here, I spoke with one of my FC mates that has already upgrade the WHM Reilc with x9 books. He compared the mirror-upgraded Wave Wand / Tidal Buckler to the Relic Staff x9 and guess what: the exact same stats.

So there you have it. Alternate paths.

Looks like Relic is always going to be tied/second best (to High Allgan of course). I think someone, or two, or a bunch of people mentioned that days ago. ;)


#209 May 01 2014 at 7:59 AM Rating: Good
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[quote=Lyrailis]I'm not even 50 yet, but I plan on jumping up several levels here shortly (within the week).

Currently @39 about to do Stone Vigil. I took a break on my leveling path because some of my stuff (namely jewelry) had fallen behind and tank jewelry just was not dropping from dungeons whatsoever at all, nor were quests rewarding any. My GSM got high enough to make half of the jewelry last night, and another level should get me caught up, should easily be enough to get me up to mid-to-high 40s from there and I'm also building up a bunch of leves so I can bump a craft or two up a few levels (again! lol) when my PLD gets a little higher.

Hoping to be at 50 and able to do endgame content here within a few weeks or so, depending on how much stuff exactly needs done.


All of the jewelry is in Cutter's Cry.

Sounds good Hitome, not this week but next? Ok. I'll checkout Steam, haven't used it for msg'ing yet.

On topic here, I spoke with one of my FC mates that has already upgraded the WHM Relic Animus with x9 books. He compared the mirror-upgraded Wave Wand / Tidal Buckler to the Relic Staff x9 and guess what: the exact same stats. He called it a "slap in the face" considering the time and effort.

So there you have it. Alternate paths.

Looks like Relic is always going to be tied/second best (to High Allgan of course). I think someone, or two, or a bunch of people mentioned that days ago. ;)
#210 May 01 2014 at 8:03 AM Rating: Decent
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i just looked up tidal wave wand and thyrus animus on xivdb.com and the stats are nowt the same. the nimbus weapon gives more mnd and vit than tidal wave and has determination on it
#211 May 01 2014 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
DuoMaxwellxx wrote:
i just looked up tidal wave wand and thyrus animus on xivdb.com and the stats are nowt the same. the nimbus weapon gives more mnd and vit than tidal wave and has determination on it


Gotta compare the Animus with the x9 book stats added and also gotta factor in the Tidal Buckler on the other side.
#212 May 01 2014 at 2:59 PM Rating: Good
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On Hyperion the success rate at Levi EX is 75% or so in PF groups, at least the ones I've been joining.


Consider yourself lucky, because it's a big fat zero for me and I'm on the same server. Haven't even seen past the first Tidal Wave, so haven't even been getting close.

Almost every group I've joined has had someone quit after 1-2 tries, and almost every group I've had where that happens the rest of the group ends up falling apart and splitting too.


Hey man, hit me up in game, Gnu Who, and we'll get this done for ya.
#213 May 04 2014 at 2:56 AM Rating: Good
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Yep. This is 14 players and modern MMO players. "This is too hard!" "I want the easy route!" "I don't want to play this game for years, I want to get the best stuff without working all the damned time for it" (and say the same thing a month or so after each new patch.)

Why not just start people out at LV50.. with LV50 gear, and let's all go from there.

Anyway who cares. I don't play this game anymore.

COMPLETELY disagree with this guy. Don't play 14 no more why have an opinion on something you don't do.

Atma farming feels like your getting no where, there is no status bar, no 1/100 - Nothing. You stay in a zone, run from one fate to another, hope you get there before its already won, get to a few others and hope your not the only one.

There is no 1/100 as I said before, there is no feeling of progress till you get that drop. Which could be 1/20 fates, 1/100 fates, I know people who have spent an entire weekend in a single zone. The complaints for Atma farming are high, complaints on books low.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why, because books have progress, go kill 100 of them, go get a ton of myth, go in these dungeons.

Grinding isn't a problem, im an old XI player and I remember what REAL grind is before SE cut down the requirements of exp (this is pre the Alzabi/WOTG expansions). I could handle the hours and hours for that 1 single level, what was ridiculous was the 7 hours seeking as a THF hoping you can create a party because you had to have a tank, healer and another voker to make it work then the BLM to MB.

If there was a status bar it would help BIG time. I would be happy to do all fates in a zone 3, 5, 10, 30 times over as long as I knew I was getting some where.
#214 May 04 2014 at 2:56 AM Rating: Default
ArthurDragonheart wrote:
Yep. This is 14 players and modern MMO players. "This is too hard!" "I want the easy route!" "I don't want to play this game for years, I want to get the best stuff without working all the damned time for it" (and say the same thing a month or so after each new patch.)

Why not just start people out at LV50.. with LV50 gear, and let's all go from there.

Anyway who cares. I don't play this game anymore.

COMPLETELY disagree with this guy. Don't play 14 no more why have an opinion on something you don't do.

Atma farming feels like your getting no where, there is no status bar, no 1/100 - Nothing. You stay in a zone, run from one fate to another, hope you get there before its already won, get to a few others and hope your not the only one.

There is no 1/100 as I said before, there is no feeling of progress till you get that drop. Which could be 1/20 fates, 1/100 fates, I know people who have spent an entire weekend in a single zone. The complaints for Atma farming are high, complaints on books low.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why, because books have progress, go kill 100 of them, go get a ton of myth, go in these dungeons.

Grinding isn't a problem, im an old XI player and I remember what REAL grind is before SE cut down the requirements of exp (this is pre the Alzabi/WOTG expansions). I could handle the hours and hours for that 1 single level, what was ridiculous was the 7 hours seeking as a THF hoping you can create a party because you had to have a tank, healer and another voker to make it work then the BLM to MB.

If there was a status bar it would help BIG time. I would be happy to do all fates in a zone 3, 5, 10, 30 times over as long as I knew I was getting some where.
#215 May 04 2014 at 5:22 AM Rating: Good
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It's the same as farming for a specific drop. You dont get a progress bar on that either.

There's nothing wrong with this. There's no need for a progress bar since you're just looking for a specific drop as you have been years before. You either get it, or you do not. If you dont, you kill another set of monsters (or a FATE in this case).

You're going to get it eventually. It's not ever going to be the case that everyone else gets it, and you do not. A chance for a drop is just that, a chance. People who want this system changed are just spoiled like hell...

What's next? Oh, i didnt get the specific dungeon drop i want. I want a progress bar that gets me my chest piece from Coil ! Dont be rediculous... Seriously.

This is not worth even HALF the attention it's getting. Is it the best system ever? No. Is it bad? No. Keep at it and you'll get it, period.
#216 May 04 2014 at 9:02 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah I remember grinding in 11. Grinding coffer key mobs was so much different than this.

Oh wait.
#217 May 04 2014 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
HitomeOfBismarck wrote:
Yeah I remember grinding in 11. Grinding coffer key mobs was so much different than this.

Oh wait.


Best analogy yet.
#218 May 04 2014 at 12:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah I remember grinding in 11. Grinding coffer key mobs was so much different than this.



The only difference was that for the longest time in 11, you needed an alliance of people to help you farm your key... and people tended to leave as soon as they got theirs. I shudder at the number of times I'd spend hours farming keys, only to have the alliance disband before mine would drop.

To me, there seems to be a disconnect between the number of people claiming they want FFXI-2 versus the number of people claiming the Zodiak quest is too much of a grind.
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#219 May 05 2014 at 2:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah I remember grinding in 11. Grinding coffer key mobs was so much different than this.

Oh wait.


Rate of kills was much faster, rate of drop was also probably better if you used Treasure Hunter like you should be, you only needed one key to receive your reward instead of twelve, and the reward was usually something more than just cosmetic.

So yeah, it was way different.
#220 May 05 2014 at 6:05 AM Rating: Good
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Fynlar wrote:
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Yeah I remember grinding in 11. Grinding coffer key mobs was so much different than this.

Oh wait.


Rate of kills was much faster, rate of drop was also probably better if you used Treasure Hunter like you should be, you only needed one key to receive your reward instead of twelve, and the reward was usually something more than just cosmetic.

So yeah, it was way different.


Of course if you were an RDM and needed one of the coffers in the Yagudo stronghold, which also had astral rings in them, you could already have your key, and spend a week trying to find the chest because there were thieves fleeing all over the castle popping the coffers open before you could get your AF. So, no...I don't miss the BS of FF XI... at all.
#221 May 05 2014 at 6:54 AM Rating: Excellent
You actually needed three for each set of AF, not one.

Sometimes you also needed a treasure chest in addition to a treasure coffer, depending on the job.

At least FATES pop back to back usually. Anyone who remembers being on the Ullikummi team or the water pot team in {sky} or the Ix'DRG aern in {sea} can recall the frustration of waiting an hour in between pops (only to lose the pop to the rival team and/or to not even get the drop after it popped.)
#222 May 05 2014 at 6:55 AM Rating: Default
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#223 May 05 2014 at 7:01 AM Rating: Decent
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True, that was a thing originally, but only a really really long time ago. Like, long enough ago that I can't even remember when they patched it, and long enough back that I never personally had any problems with nabbing that coffer (unless it was behind that one door that you couldn't open and get past by yourself without Flee or a Hermes quencher, which they also eventually ended up patching, except much later down the line). I wasn't a late starter either; I've been playing nearly since NA release, and RDM was the first job that I took up to AF level. I remember hearing stories from some about how getting AF there was a pain so I know it was a problem at some point, but that coffer has been a relative non-issue for a really long time now. That ended up getting patched faster than several other glaring issues in FFXI's history, at least...

The biggest coffer hassles I had personally were in Garlaige Citadel, only because the spawns were all behind gates that you needed 4 people to get past, and there weren't any other ways around that back then.. It was a notable annoyance when your coffer was located there because no other area required you to bring that many along.

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You actually needed three for each set of AF, not one.


Not talking about sets though, I'm talking about individual pieces. You didn't have to finish all of your quests/coffers before you got a reward.

Edited, May 5th 2014 9:06am by Fynlar
#224 May 05 2014 at 7:18 AM Rating: Good
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I played from NA release on PS2 and then for a year or better after and they hadn't fixed it by the time I quit. And then you needed a group of people 10 or so levels higher to get your hat or typhoon wiped the party. Ahhhhhh. Good times lol.

I got to level 65 and basically stopped playing and started fishing/crafting. Then when CoP came out and they hid all the **** in BCNMs and forgot to tell everyone all the beast an seals you'd been pitching for the last year were required to get new crafting mats or you needed an alliance to kill an NM which was camped by an LS with a claim bot I just narrowed that down to fishing. By the time I quit playing I wasn't really missing much.
#225 May 05 2014 at 7:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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True, that was a thing originally, but only a really really long time ago. Like, long enough ago that I can't even remember when they patched it, and long enough back that I never personally had any problems with nabbing that coffer (unless it was behind that one door that you couldn't open and get past by yourself without Flee or a Hermes quencher, which they also eventually ended up patching, except much later down the line). I wasn't a late starter either; I've been playing nearly since NA release, and RDM was the first job that I took up to AF level. I remember hearing stories from some about how getting AF there was a pain so I know it was a problem at some point, but that coffer has been a relative non-issue for a really long time now. That ended up getting patched faster than several other glaring issues in FFXI's history, at least...

The biggest coffer hassles I had personally were in Garlaige Citadel, only because the spawns were all behind gates that you needed 4 people to get past, and there weren't any other ways around that back then.. It was a notable annoyance when your coffer was located there because no other area required you to bring that many along.

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You actually needed three for each set of AF, not one.


Not talking about sets though, I'm talking about individual pieces. You didn't have to finish all of your quests/coffers before you got a reward.


You did have to gather ~8,000 pieces of currency to get your reward in Dynamis, though, then another 7,000 with a borrowed 3,000 to unlock it outside of Dynamis. If we want to compare apples to apples.

It's kind of nifty, they actually introduced a +3 version of the old AF armor in a pretty recent patch. "Reforged" armor. My ratty old BLM AF +1 coat got turned into the Spaekona Coat, turning it from a staple of my enfeebling wardrobe into a viable piece again in its own right. So funny to see people running around in what appears to be AF again.

Anyway, to sum up my feelings about atma coherently:

1. Does the Atma drop rate suck? Yes. Yes it sucks.
2. Is the worst thing SE has ever thrown at us? In XIV, yes. Yes it is.
3. Were they meaner to us in XI? Oh god yes.
#226 May 05 2014 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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Bad news.

You can only queue to DF and meet people on the same data center as you. :(
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