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#52 Apr 06 2014 at 6:30 PM Rating: Decent

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Lyrailis wrote:

FilthMcNasty wrote:

Thayos wrote:

Filth, perhaps if you stopped digging, you'd be up here with the rest of us!

Up here with the rest of us? You act like P2P players are better than anyone else. You act like FF gamers are more mature than everyone else. What's the weather like up there? Smiley: rolleyes

Uh.......wut?

lol.

Uh, Filth... you might as well quit while you're ahead; it is blatantly obvious you're grasping at straws randomly to come up with something to say in return. You're obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel for comebacks; that's usually a sign that it is time to just turn around and walk away with what dignity you have left.

Psst, I don't think Filth cares. Smiley: lol

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#53 Apr 06 2014 at 11:44 PM Rating: Good

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Lyrailis wrote:

FilthMcNasty wrote:

Thayos wrote:

Filth, perhaps if you stopped digging, you'd be up here with the rest of us!

Up here with the rest of us? You act like P2P players are better than anyone else. You act like FF gamers are more mature than everyone else. What's the weather like up there? Smiley: rolleyes

Uh.......wut?

lol.

Uh, Filth... you might as well quit while you're ahead; it is blatantly obvious you're grasping at straws randomly to come up with something to say in return. You're obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel for comebacks; that's usually a sign that it is time to just turn around and walk away with what dignity you have left.

While I don't think bringing it up really changes anything, I can't really say he's wrong, either. People with similar opinions exist here, in WoW, Rift, and so on. If I had to peg a root cause, it'd be a desire to not feel their time and money is being poorly spent. Such might not always be conveyed in a toxic manner, but I'd be very hard pressed to ever call it beneficial to a community by the means portrayed, either.

Personally, if I find a game I like, not only do I want to improve it and fix its flaws, but ideally get as many other people to play as possible. This can include factors like difficulty, cost, grind, gating, and so on. Indeed, opinions may be like bungholes here, but if you've ever seen the term "lowest common denominator" flung around, you can make a safe bet that the person using it isn't trying to be positive and is indeed doing a bit of looking down on others.

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#54 Apr 07 2014 at 11:35 AM Rating: Default

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Lyrailis wrote:

FilthMcNasty wrote:

Thayos wrote:

Filth, perhaps if you stopped digging, you'd be up here with the rest of us!

Up here with the rest of us? You act like P2P players are better than anyone else. You act like FF gamers are more mature than everyone else. What's the weather like up there? Smiley: rolleyes

Uh.......wut?

lol.

Uh, Filth... you might as well quit while you're ahead; it is blatantly obvious you're grasping at straws randomly to come up with something to say in return. You're obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel for comebacks; that's usually a sign that it is time to just turn around and walk away with what dignity you have left.

Grasping at straws now? Look, it's my personal opinion that the XIV dev team needs to focus on preventing exploits from happening. It's a fact that their changes to how players interact with AoE directly caused the ability for cheaters to exploit the game when it comes to avoiding damage from mobs.

I don't need comebacks. Thayos is taking shots in the dark and still hasn't quoted where I said that there weren't different teams handling different issues. I went back and read through all my posts trying to find where he might have been confused and the only thing remotely close was my statement about GMs not handling bans. Thing is even if he were to misunderstand that, the follow-up was that they don't deal with bans because they escalate the report to another team who actually investigates these cases. I pretty much said that there is a separate team handling bans so why would he even think I said otherwise? Then he wants to make comments like there are a group of you who are above me because you hold a different opinion? @#%^ off.

If you disagree and think that they should prioritize banning instead of fixing issues and preventing exploits in the first place then that's fine. I would only hope that you guys realize that removing the exploits(or in this case, fixing them properly) also removes the need for bans. Bans don't stop cheaters and RMT and in most cases it doesn't even slow them down. Would you leave all your doors and windows open because you know that if someone robs you and gets caught, they go to jail? SE's actions show that they're fine with people exploiting as long as they catch them after the fact and ban them.

That might be OK with you, but eventually there will come a time when these exploits actually damage the game and have a larger impact on players(see massive FFXI inflation, salvage duping, ect).

Edited, Apr 7th 2014 1:41pm by FilthMcNasty

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#55 Apr 07 2014 at 11:47 AM Rating: Excellent

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I think the crux of the argument is

1. Yes, the dev team needs to actually patch and prevent exploits at the code level but
2. That doesn't give people permission to use known cheat tools in the meantime and
3. SE is going to ban those cheaters regardless of what the dev team is doing to patch the problems because
4. The XIV equivalent of STFU is a different team from the developers.

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#56 Apr 07 2014 at 12:10 PM Rating: Excellent

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Well said, Catwho. Nice and simple.

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#57 Apr 07 2014 at 1:36 PM Rating: Excellent

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Catwho wrote:

I was talking to my boss the other day about hierarchical versus "flat" organizations. Most IT companies and departments these days are a mix of the two. Apparently, I can get promoted three times without my job responsibilities change and without reporting to someone else. Smiley: laugh

So it's not that there are too many chiefs, it's that the indians below them are masters of their own little spheres without being chiefs.

Lol, in my field, both now and then, private and public, I added three to six major job duties without a promotion Smiley: tongue

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#58 Apr 07 2014 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good

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Valkayree wrote:

Catwho wrote:

I was talking to my boss the other day about hierarchical versus "flat" organizations. Most IT companies and departments these days are a mix of the two. Apparently, I can get promoted three times without my job responsibilities change and without reporting to someone else. Smiley: laugh

So it's not that there are too many chiefs, it's that the indians below them are masters of their own little spheres without being chiefs.

Lol, in my field, both now and then, private and public, I added three to six major job duties without a promotion Smiley: tongue

What is this pra mow shun of which you speak?

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#59 Apr 08 2014 at 3:20 AM Rating: Decent

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Really tired of seeing armchair programmers and computer techies in this thread. :)

From observation on this forum, I'd really only consult Cat if I wanted a realistic look into management when it came to IT.

Do you know how the POS programs work? Do you know exactly which part of the memory they take advantage of (if at all)? Do you know the weaknesses of 14's structure and why it is susceptible to these types of things? Do you also understand that the exploit community actively adjusts their own programs based on SE's changes? There is almost always a way to get around any changes SE puts in place.

Not giving them excuses of course. They have the funds to hire the people to take care of these things. But I do ask that you don't harp about SE's supposed incompetence when the very most you understand about a computer (hardware or software) is what you read off Wiki and how you once programmed in HTML in high school which supposedly makes you an expert on all other programming languages. --_--

Just a tad more complicated than that.

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#60 Apr 08 2014 at 7:00 AM Rating: Excellent

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From observation on this forum, I'd really only consult Cat if I wanted a realistic look into management when it came to IT.

Ask me about the sausage factory any time. Smiley: laugh

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#61 Apr 08 2014 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good

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HitomeOfBismarck wrote:

Not giving them excuses of course. They have the funds to hire the people to take care of these things. But I do ask that you don't harp about SE's supposed incompetence when the very most you understand about a computer (hardware or software) is what you read off Wiki and how you once programmed in HTML in high school which supposedly makes you an expert on all other programming languages. --_--

Just a tad more complicated than that.

I used to program in visual basic and I am a DOS master. Damn kids made me obsolete.

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#62 Apr 08 2014 at 3:44 PM Rating: Excellent

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I used to program in visual basic and I am a DOS master. Damn kids made me obsolete.

Back in sixth grade, I programmed a text "pick-a-path" game in Apple Basic for a class project (the other kids built things like hockey sticks and bird houses, lol). I even made a box for my game, and I burned the edges of the world map that went with the floppy discs.

My classmates loved it... so much so, that I decided to retire from programming.

Biggest mistake I ever made, lol.

Edited, Apr 8th 2014 2:45pm by Thayos

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