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So you get a job to il90 but cant do certain endgame content because "experienced only" or "must have completed before"? how do you get experience or complete said content if 99% of groups wont take ppl without experience or completion? What happened to the helpful community days of FFXI where just having the right level or gear was enough to do the content and experience would be gained by doing it... i.e doing Dynamis for the first time? No he puller/leader just walks the newbies through what to do/not do as you went and everyone still wins and has no problems. Where did all THOSE kinda people go?

In the couple cases like that I just /t'd the leader and said "look I've run this 100 times and been slaughtered by the same dipsh*ts as you. I haven't completed it for the same reason, so let's all be friends and get it in the bag." Cleared Garuda EX and Turn 4 for the first time in groups demanding clear experience.

Alternatively, you could just lie and laugh when you get the acheivement. :P

As for where all "THOSE" people are, they're around. I've seen 'learning' runs. Problem is, right now everyone is obsessed with the new stuff and learning runs aren't many to be had.

For some reason, my desire to clear turn 5, titan and ifrit have become near-obsessive too....i hate that BcoB 2nd coil is out there and I can't even get in it...

Of course, you can always "BE" that guy, and start a learning run I guess.....

Edited, Mar 31st 2014 2:31pm by LebargeX

in order to start a learning run wouldnt you first hav eto know how to teach? lol

As for the groups aforementioned.. i could probably understand them wanting experience when it comes to healers or tanks as their jobs are important... even i get scared/uneasy about tanking/healing content for the first time... but DPS? only thing a dps need sto know is attack stuff and stay out of glowing orange circles/lines/boxes.... you get THAT kinda experience jst GETTING to 50

Once you get a full party, ask everyone to watch the same video on youtube before you start. You can even put that in your party notes on the party finder... that there will be a 15-minute study period before the battle begins. If people seriously need to learn the fights, then they should be willing to do that.

I'm kind of in the same boat though... I've taught myself Garuda EX just by plunging into the DF and going for it (after watching a couple videos on youtube first). Unfortunately, I still don't have a win, because most people don't actually attempt to educate themselves before going into fights like that.

well feel free to explain how what you quoted is not true about ffxi

Most people aren't willing to teach, it requires a certain personality type. But what's to stop you from making a party? Learning party doesn't necessarily mean to automatically go in with weapons swinging and dying at 30 seconds.

Require that people joining use a VoIP, you'd be surprised how many flakes that filters out. There's good learning parties where you inch forward every time, keep track of who you meet, try to go with them over and over if they're good, if it ends up like what happened to some of my groups in the past, you can make a really solid static party out of it.

I'm going to have to side with Duo on this one, XI had a very tight and often helpful community. The reason was that you NEEDED people to get all but the most basic stuff accomplished so your reputation meant something and you didn't seek to self destroy said rep. Were there aholes? Yep. Were there hours of seeking that last person only for the group to dissolve? Yep. But when you actually got a party everyone did their best (usually) and it was usually a memorable experience.

In XIV you can get parties in well under and hour (usually), but more than half the time people suck at something and get called on stupidity instead of people coaching. I don't even mind a condensending teacher if the lesson is of value, but usually it's (sorry, but it is) Tank or Healer "OMFG U SUK!!!! BAI!!!" and they leave the group. No one learns anything and the party continues to fail miserably.

*EDIT* FWIW I haven't played XI since Sky and Dynamis were the IT thing and the cap had just increased from 75, I know the game and community have changed quite a bit since then.


Edited, Mar 31st 2014 11:18pm by Perrin

I know this is a little bit off topic but in my experience I've rarely ever seen it go this way. I play a tank primarily but I have leveled two DPS jobs to level 50 as well. I have never seen the DPS in a party get singled out and blamed for anything, while if the tank messes up they are almost always getting called out on it. Granted, that's just been my experience but people seem to want to paint tanks as healers as elitists who leave at the drop of a hat and I've never seen it.

Back on topic... start your own party. It seems silly to me that you get frustrated at players for not wanting to put the time and work into teaching you the fight when you don't want to put the time and work into learning it yourself.

Youre right there are different communities, one is good and one is horrible, thats the difference between a hardcore mmo that requires grouping for everything and casual one that will throw you in with randoms. In the hardcore one you NEED friends to accomplish stuff soo you cant afford to be a **** since those ppl you dont wanna do said content with may be the only way you WILL get it done.

As for using "not knowing what im doing as an excuse for not setting up learning parties" Well when I did CoP in FFXI my group was doing them the day the launches, so we had no guides or preset strat to follow we HAD (keyword there is HAD ) to learn and make our own.... coil is 8 month old content now, I shouldnt have to put myself through that with content thats old enough that 90 of the player base should know how to do it and 1-2 ppl on the team who dont wouldnt make an impact on winning or losing. Also when I played FFXI I was not in school (graduated) and didnt work so I played 12 hours a day everyday I had the luxury and free time to learn/wipe on a fight 50 time sin one day before we finally learned to beat it. I work 40 hours a week now.. I no longer have that kinda time. and my hours (2pm-11pm with never having a weekend off) makes committing to a FC or static impossible since as Im sure you all know, what the average time/hours those things are scheduled for. Otherwise Id just do THAT instead (id rather learn with a static group of regualrs who know eachothers strengths/weaknesses and know how to play with eachother than deal with complete randoms daily)

Also since said content is as I said 8 months old theres a million guides on the internet for them. Turn 4 for example Ive never done it once but as a brd I know Phase 1 is just aoeing spiders to death, phase 2 fight knights because they reflect magic, start with the knight on the NW spawn, phase 3 take out the dreadnaught, phase 4 kills the rooks then AOE the spiders, phase 5 kills dreadnaught then finally phase 6 take out the rooks, then the knights (then soldiers if any left). aoe spders to death the finally take out the dreadnaught.

So see I know WHAT to do I just havent physically went in and did it, so how can I claim to be experienced without first doing so, and well how will I do so when every group wants experienced?

Just don't. Start a party, and in the comments put "I know what to do and can explain the fight, but I've never done it myself. Let's go give it a shot." Chances are you will have people sign up and then you're good to go. There are plenty of other players in the exact same boat as you.

12 hours into 2.2 was already seeing 'exp only' party finders for the new stuff.

ok someone answer this question for me... Ive done Turn 1 (and completed it) a million times as a brd and healer, so i know what to do/not to do know the fights etc etc. Now I wanna go as tank... since it would be my first time going as a tank )even though ive done the run enough to have sen what tanks do) would i join an experiences run or would i have to go with progression?

You have to take the plunge and setup a learning run yourself. It can be nervewracking but you'd be surprised how many people will join. Right now a lot of people are Atma farming so it may take a bit longer. I need to spam DF to get better at Titan Ex but after my experiences with the super lag going on right now I'm waiting a few days.

In terms of being a healer or a tank, it's tough and people turn on you at the drop of a hat. If people are dying, sure it can be that the healer isn't keeping up or it can be that the DPS/Tank are absolutely unable to stay out of any AoE. I usually do pretty well but the second anything goes wrong, people turn on the healers and tanks. DPS can usually hide behind each other (unless it's very obvious). I don't tend to bail but I understand why people do. Just remember that more than one thing can go wrong and focus on making your contribution the best you can, rather than worrying about what everyone else is doing.