what server is Blue Gartr on?Follow

Also has the new ffxiv roadmap been put out yet?

and is this the same well know Blue Gartr that has world firsts in a multitude of other MMOs or just some FC using their name?

Also is here a site that shows all the current il90 BiS for all jobs? Lastly speaking of which since there are different armor sets that are the same il (alagan and relic armor for example), do both those armor sets have the same base stats (ie same str if youre important dmg stats is str like mnk for example) with just different secondary stats? like crit hit rates and or acc?

in otherwords mixing and matching the two armors to get the "best" accuracy or crit hit rate balance for il90 wont compromise me getting the highest str possible (at il90) for my str based class?

Edited, Mar 25th 2014 1:26pm by DuoMaxwellxx

In 2 days the BiS gear is going to change with the release of 2.2 so anything you look at now will be irrelevant.

it wont be irrelevent for those of us who wanna get the current BiS gear all in one day (exaggeration) without having to deal with 1 week lockout and max tomes per week. that way we can gear up all our jobs to the point were we only have to worry about playing once a week (due to certain restrictions which imo is unbecoming of a monthly subscription mmo) tHEN worry about the 2.2 "relevant" gearing

Do you have definitive proof or can you find anyone with definitive proof that x build is better than y build? No.

Which is why I told you to be careful with the term BiS.

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As mentioned above, there's gear sets for Crit, Speed, etc.

In WoW, there's... generally 1 and only 1 way to get maximum DPS for your chosen class/spec. For example, Ret Paladins in WoW, according to AskMr.Robot is:

Hit > Exp > Str > Haste > Mastery > Crit

This means, "Get Hit to Cap, get Expertise to Cap, and then pick your stats in the order of Strength, Haste, Mastery, Crit".

So basically the Best-in-Slot gear will be the gear that has Haste or Mastery on it with whatever Crit you happen to find.

Clicking the "Best in Slot" button tells me exactly what is THE best in slot and it lists items by best in slot.

There is no "Haste Build", "Mastery Build", or "Crit Build" in WoW for Ret Paladins. There is ONE "Optimal" build that will hands-down, give you the MOST DPS, no matter what.

In FFXIV, however, you have different builds that are viable and therefore, no "Hands-down Best in Slot" gear for any given slot.

And it is interesting to note, AMR claims that my guesses are 98% optimal because I did all of my gemming and reforging without calculators. Huh, interesting...

Tell that to Icy-Veins, Ask Mr. Robot, etc that shows you all of these Gem/Reforge/BiS Calculators. All of them will tell you the same thing, for example, Ret is always Str>Haste>Mastery>Crit. Doesn't matter who you ask, they all say the same thing. They don't say "For Boss A, go Str>Haste>Mastery>Crit and for Boss B go Str>Mastery>Haste>Crit".

If the stat choices are always the same, then the BiS gear will similarly be always the same.

Yes, different bosses have moving phases, etc, but that still doesn't change your gearing options. You're still doing Str>Haste>Mastery>Crit no matter what you fight.

Do you honestly not realize how much AMR and Icy are used in theorycraft for WoW regardless if it is built on Patch-style fight or not, Filth?

I am shocked.

Go make a post on the mage forums and tell them they don't have a set rotation. I'll get the popcorn.



Not once was this ever a problem in Pandaria for me. Maybe it was different for other classes (probably not)...but mages are pretty straight forward.

Edited, Mar 25th 2014 11:47pm by HitomeOfBismarck

Peanut butter and popcorn? Actually, never tried it. Sounds tasty.

I think you misunderstand the use of the word so allow me to redefine it: preset rotations.



I thought that was a given!

Till they nerfed it and made everyone go frost. But even frost had a very specific preset rotation. :\ Basically, wait for your CDs to come up. Use frozen orb and spam cheese lance until you bore yourself (or the mob) to death.

Go ahead and list a class for that didn't have a preset rotation, though. I'm curious now. I actually raided as a tanky death knight and arcane/frost mage when I went back briefly.

I'll help you out:

http://www.icy-veins.com

Let's do arcane first (since no one plays it anymore):

http://www.icy-veins.com/arcane-mage-wow-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

Let's do frost mage next:

http://www.icy-veins.com/frost-mage-wow-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

How about some BM hunter?

http://www.icy-veins.com/beast-mastery-hunter-wow-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

And maybe some balance durid:

http://www.icy-veins.com/balance-druid-wow-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

How about some feral durid:

http://www.icy-veins.com/feral-druid-wow-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities

And ele shaman for giggles:

http://www.icy-veins.com/elemental-shaman-wow-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities


No set rotation you say. Look at those lists and go ahead and tell me they don't abide by rotations in WoW. Is this happening? Do this. Has this happened? Do this. Has this procced? Do this. Do you need to move? AoE? Do this and this.

I think I just linked you to 6. Please don't try that stuff here Mr.Filth! Rotations are mandatory in WoW and you know why. But for those listening in at home: it's possible only because it took years to develop tools to get websites like AMR to work and organization with extensive testing to get community projects like Icy to work.

Remember: we don't have world of logs to draw data from and make conclusions.

We have no such tools in 14. There is no BiS in many cases because it is so hard to get a good sample size.



Are you going to tell me there isn't a preset rotation in 14 as well? :P I can tell you that my dragon kick is going to be followed up by my twin snakes and snap almost 100% of the time unless X occurs and then I switch to another preset rotation.to take care of the other situations such as the tank during or the mob turning around to use an attack on someone behind it.




Fact: each spec has BiS equipment, each spec has a specific stat they gear for which depends on simulation and weighting as a result, and each spec has a preset rotation.

It's also common knowledge that these 'theoretical figures' are followed religiously. And for a good reason: there isn't much you can do to customize yourself now days in WoW. Reforging has its limits and usually ends up having you regem because you moved accuracy around in favor of another stat.

Once you obtain certain gear levels, then weighting changes are taken into effect (see: fire mage). Notice the keyword? Once you obtain certain gear. This implies that certain gear is better than other pieces in the same slot. In fact, if you go to AMR and click one of your equipment tabs, you will see the top rated BiS items at the very top.

Not starting off automatically with BiS gear and having to change your gems and reforges around as a result of obtaining new gear does not imply that there is not a set of BiS gear.

Edit: Curse you, Filth. I have a test in 6 hours and am supposed to be sleeping/studying! Stop distracting me. T_T

Edited, Mar 26th 2014 8:48am by HitomeOfBismarck

Again, people don't have rotations they use a priority list to make sure they're using the most beneficial spell at the time and depending on the situation. If you actually look at these rotations it's easy to see that they're not rotations at all. Periods of movement, switching targets, trinket procs... there are a ton of situations where you would have to deviate from a rotation and enough of them that you'd hardly ever get through one complete cycle before having to change your priority. Rotations are recurring. You start at the first step and go straight through to the last before repeating.


The problem is that these stat weights are already based on BiS gear. Someone who just graduated from running heroic dungeons to raiding might find that their stat weights are completely different or even that it would be better for them to run a different spec until they are able to achieve certain stat breakpoints.

INT > Haste > Mastery >= Crit

This might be true for people in BiS gear, but for anyone progressing(read: people who are probably reading the guides in the first place) it's not that simple. The only correct answer in a "what stats do I stack" thread is the one that suggests to the player that they run a simulation on their character in their current gear. Haste might outweigh mastery, but most of the time this assumes you have a certain amount of INT or that you're capable of reaching an important haste breakpoint.

Good luck with your exam