I'm going to miss Pharos SiriusFollow

If I'm not mistaken, I read they intend to make Darklight gear a straight drop now with the removal of philosophy tomes. Funnily enough, moving the old AK gear to PS was certainly one of the dungeon's early complaints levied against it alongside the item level requirements. If DL gear came here from the beginning, I think people would've been more tolerant of the difficulty, but as is, we can probably expect the DL drops to also show up in Haukke, Copperbell, and the new dungeon. So on one end, it's kinda shifting this reward problem to the new content unless SE slips in a curveball and adds more gear between 70 and 90 to serve as a stepping stone to at least 90.

Overall, if untouched or even taking the "back then" route for encouraging participation, I do agree it could've been a bit more kind with the myth tomes. Would it have turned into everyone running PS 24/7 until cap? No, and the overall difficulty would assure that WP or even AK would still see people trotting through those halls. Again, it's east for those more a veteran to the genre to say the place is easy, to kill the wolves, not stand in the goop, and all that. On the other hand, Siren's charm mechanic is not exactly something the players see or are even instructed about in other venues of the game. "Top off the person with the icon!" is easy to say, but then you add both keeping the tank alive and maintaining situational awareness about the zombies to the mix and it's easily make or break for the person at that role. I would also personally pipe up and say that the position lag was "a thing" there, as pretty much every time I thought I'd dodged her dash, I'd still get hit by it. If I actually had to rank her difficulty on roles, it'd be Healer > DPS > Tank just because add control can and does influence either if they're not up to par, either.

Alas, Siren's bosom is not reward enough for some.

I wonder how many people that actually like this dungeon are Healers?
The first fight is cake as long as you dps slowly. Second isn't bad either..
The last is hell on healers.


Edited, Mar 24th 2014 11:41am by Nashred

This would be awesome!

Between that and maybe making it so if you choose to do an instance that is already underway, that you can choose to ONLY do instances that are already underway. That way people wouldn't need to keep leaving the queue when they realize they are in a new queue, therefore causing the rest of the people to have to wait because they are leaving the queue (happens when queueing for CT 99.9% of the time.)

Agreed. I bet post nerf it will drop darklight.

CT takes longer, both in the queue and in the run. The high-level dungeons will remain optimal for people who want to farm quick tomes while getting more gear that could help in CT and the early BC stages.

Despite CT taking longer for less rewards, it's by far my favorite means of grinding tomes. Despite all the lulz and silliness. Despite the horrid drop rate (although with the change coming up that won't matter as much.) Despite the lag.

I like big group efforts, which is probably why I stuck with Dynamis for so long in XI. I want to see more of them in XIV. They're fun! Four or eight people doing a thing with maximum efficiency is fun too, but I love the chaos of a big raid.

I know on Cenarius Oculus became popular as hell after the patch that introduced to the Malygos mount to the bag and it wasn't just because of that. Initially, the drakes in Oculus and in the Eye of Eternity didn't scale at all with player iLVL gear like the seige weaponry in Ulduar. I never really found them all that hard (as you could have everyone responsible for themselves OR just do a normal "All but x players spam 1, 1, 1, 2") but in a game where getting better gear made you stronger and fights easier as time went on these two instances were just stonewalls.

The place was reviled because it had one of the static style fights developers put into a game where your gear meant absolutely nothing. It was more detrimental towards the feeling of player progression than the idiotic resistance fights were up to that point and while the concept of the place was really cool and a neat departure from the standard dungeon it just didn't work when getting stronger didn't actually help you beat the fight.



My major complaint with the Gigas at the end of Copperbell isn't so much the damage requirement (which *really* isn't as bad as people make it out to be and isn't much worse than Demon Wall) but the fact that Power Attack has a 1 second arm time. There's almost no possible way for people to react most of the time and not get hit by it (slow + 2K damage) unless they're actively going after a crystal.

I do have to hand it to SE though, as I'm looking forward to seeing what the two new HM dungeons and the new Amdapor. Their HMs are miles and above more interesting than any other MMOs in terms of giving you a feel of a new dungeon while reusing art assets from a past one. It's a very good blend especially when the bosses aren't just the same as before with an extra ability, more health, and more damage output.



After doing EQ guild raids, Vanilla WoW 40 mans, and leading a 25 man all the way up to the start of Cataclysm I've come to despise any large group effort. The amount of headaches and "This **** Isn't Worth It" moments has turned me off dramatically. Learning the group we were going to set up for Coil during Beta 3 was 8 man and not 24 was a nice surprise for our little group (and especially myself).

So I'm kinda pleased that aside from standard herpaderp you can get with random people in Crystal Tower it's a really enjoyable place. I still prefer, and am grateful, the fact that Coil's harder and uses a smaller team but if their larger raids are more in line with the overall feel of Crystal Tower in terms of enjoyability and re-playability I think I could start to like leading a larger force again.

Edited, Mar 24th 2014 4:28pm by Viertel

WoW doesn't, and never did, have this feature for PvE dungeons.

Just recently, you are able to do this with PvP Battleground Randoms, but you never had this feature for Random Dungeon (or Random Heroic). You can pseudo do this with specific Q, but you forfeit the random rewards (which is 99% of the reason why you do the dungeon in the first place).

If there was a feature to do this, then I might have been able to actually learn how to heal during Wrath of the Lich King. I started late and 8/10 times I tried Qing, I found myself in Frozen Halls with very little experience and being barely geared to get in, and damn if the 1st boss of Forge of Souls didn't absolutely wreck newbie healers if they had magic users in their group (said boss spammed AoE attacks that did damage that scaled with max mana). Only time I ever cleared that boss on my healer was the one time I was the only mana using class in the group (therefore, I was the only one taking damage from his AoE).

Edited, Mar 24th 2014 5:53pm by Lyrailis

Yeah must have been BGs I was thinking of. I could have sworn there was a way to not be eligible for a specific dungeon during WotLK. Again, my faulty memory.

Doesn't mean it wouldn't be a good idea to implement in PVE, though! I would love to not be eligible for Satasha for the 18th time this week. :(