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#52 Mar 21 2014 at 3:05 PM Rating: Good
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LucasNox wrote:
I know, but 25% is still a ton.


And you would know how? You havent even beaten titan hm...
#53 Mar 21 2014 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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You can click it off - all arguments moot.


Not really, most people always try to take the most efficient route, whatever that is. Well then again you admitted you would use this carebear easymode buff for farming purposes so you know that.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 11:00am by LucasNox


Are you calling people names? Stop the bullying!


If groups can clear 1-5 one shot in 40 minutes why bother with a buff that will take time to build up? Using turn 2 as the only argument isn't meaningfull


Levi, Lucas only has one level 50, and no relic. (See Lucas Nox on Midgardsormr in Lodestone) He hasn't even been to coil.
#54 Mar 21 2014 at 3:11 PM Rating: Default
I'll repost it: "You "just checked"? Lucas hasn't been my main since like the first week. I had to change it for privacy reasons after Hitome told his/her FC to all block me, but I'm friends with most of them now." I haven't given anyone on ZAM my IGN after that debacle. Don't get so overexcited.
#55 Mar 21 2014 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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I'll repost it: "You "just checked"? Lucas hasn't been my main since like the first week. I had to change it for privacy reasons after Hitome told his/her FC to all block me, but I'm friends with most of them now." I haven't given anyone on ZAM my IGN after that debacle. Don't get so overexcited.


K, assuming you are telling the truth then I will revert back to my original: "We have no proof"

But why would you abandon your character with your troll name and then still pay every month for him to exist while you leveled another character?

There's an odor in the the air and I think it smells like bulls&%$
#56 Mar 21 2014 at 3:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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As my ability to like myself doesn't originate anywhere near whether or not I "pwned it" in a videogame, I don't really care if they "care-bear" turns 1-5 or the EX primals. I feel I've sucked all the marrow out of the challenge that there is to be had in the current end-game there is here. The fact you can just shut off the 'easy mode' should be shutting off this argument, but there you go.

If people want to multi-wipe and stack that buff up, good for them. People aren't wiping any less now, and they've got jack squat to show for it after all this time. A little relief from being on your back all the time would be nice. Did they say you have to wait 3 minutes before you can get the buff or something?

I have 'X' hours to play per week. Currently, I'm languishing in DF/PF trying to get a vortex ring/allagan ring of healing. If the new buffs will put an end to my 30-50 wipes a week, so be it.

My skill-set and play time allows to me get just about everything done that I need with just about anyone else in the game. The fact that I'm an iLvl 88 WHM shows that someone with my time commitment can make this game work for them, and make it work at the highest levels. I'm just one tiny step behind 'capped' in fact.

Could I join a static party and grind it out 3 hours a night, 4 nights a week? Sure I could. I'm good enough to hold a spot in any group. My problem is: I have LOTS of other stuff I'd rather be doing. I'm just hoping this will make that last 1% do-able.....that or I'm just going to farm the new tomes for a higher level ring. :D

#57 Mar 21 2014 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll repost it: "You "just checked"? Lucas hasn't been my main since like the first week. I had to change it for privacy reasons after Hitome told his/her FC to all block me, but I'm friends with most of them now." I haven't given anyone on ZAM my IGN after that debacle. Don't get so overexcited.


K, assuming you are telling the truth then I will revert back to my original: "We have no proof"

But why would you abandon your character with your troll name and then still pay every month for him to exist while you leveled another character?

There's an odor in the the air and I think it smells like bulls&%$


It's really none of your business, but I didn't want to cause drama for my friends. Hitome told all the (at the time) high level players in our community to blacklist me, so I felt more inclined to switch to my alt instead of trying to repair my reputation and/or destroy the reputations of my friends. Probably one of the less fun moments on ZAM.

Anyway Sherlock Holmes, if I cared about you searching up Lucas Nox, I wouldn't have left the character page in my signature or continued posting with this username.

Your accusation that I "havent even beaten titan hm" is both laughable and stupid. I've posted tips on defeating him on this forum, under this username. Find something better to do than launching personal attacks against other forum members.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 5:33pm by LucasNox
#58 Mar 21 2014 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
LebargeX wrote:
Did they say you have to wait 3 minutes before you can get the buff or something?


You have to be alive for 3 minutes before you die to get the buff/another stack.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 5:43pm by LucasNox
#59 Mar 21 2014 at 3:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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LucasNox wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
Did they say you have to wait 3 minutes before you can get the buff or something?


You have to be alive for 3 minutes before you die to get the buff/another stack.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 5:43pm by LucasNox


So, if it takes 5 attempts to stack the buff up to max, you're basically killing (pun intended) the same amount of time as waiting to vote abandon. Only now, you might actually get the chuckleheads you were unlucky enough to get groupled up with to get through it?

I call that all win.
#60 Mar 21 2014 at 3:51 PM Rating: Decent
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LucasNox wrote:
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I'll repost it: "You "just checked"? Lucas hasn't been my main since like the first week. I had to change it for privacy reasons after Hitome told his/her FC to all block me, but I'm friends with most of them now." I haven't given anyone on ZAM my IGN after that debacle. Don't get so overexcited.


K, assuming you are telling the truth then I will revert back to my original: "We have no proof"

But why would you abandon your character with your troll name and then still pay every month for him to exist while you leveled another character?

There's an odor in the the air and I think it smells like bulls&%$


It's really none of your business, but I didn't want to cause drama for my friends. Hitome told all the (at the time) high level players in our community to blacklist me, so I felt more inclined to switch to my alt instead of trying to repair my reputation and/or destroy the reputations of my friends. Probably one of the less fun moments on ZAM.

Anyway Sherlock Holmes, if I cared about you searching up Lucas Nox, I wouldn't have left the character page in my signature or continued posting with this username.

Your accusation that I "havent even beaten titan hm" is both laughable and stupid. I've posted tips on defeating him on this forum, under this username. Find something better to do than launching personal attacks against other forum members.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 5:33pm by LucasNox


I consider one's credentials to be undisbuted proof of their credibility when posting about technical content. I do onto others as I would have them do onto me. My lodestone account is posted and free for all to see. If I go posting about level 50 botanist information, and talk about how there is no good stuff to gather at level 50, I fully expect you to check in my signature, go to my lodestone, see I am a level 18 botanist, and exclaim "This guy doesn't know what the hell he is talking about". Personal attacks aside, if you can not prove to me that you know from extensive experience that a 25% buff is "too much" and will turn the game into "carebear mode" then it is obvious you and I aren't playing the same game. 25% will barely scratch the surface, because without good mechanics it doesnt matter if your hp and damage is 25% higher. I call you out. I don't believe that you have beat titan extreme. If you did, and you actually accomplished that challenge, you would never call this game "carebear" in any form. So my accusation is not a personal attack, it is research into your credibility to help me understand whether or not I should take your opinion into consideration.

I do not sneak into a meeting on nuclear physics and stand up and try to talk about something I have no idea about. But from your consistent posts with opinions that from experience I know to be utter bull crap, it makes me seriously wonder if we are playing the same game.

And so you post evidence of a character that has limited experience. What is that? Bait? A cover? Or worse a double cover and you have had to do this before when making posts about things you have no idea about and getting called out on it? Doesn't take a Sherlock Holmes to check Lodestone for a character you clearly posted in your signature. If you didn't want someone searching, then why on earth is it there? Probably so you could use that same line over and over about personal attack... This isn't the first time someone has called you out, is it? That response was too well scripted.



Edited, Mar 21st 2014 4:53pm by Valkayree
#61 Mar 21 2014 at 4:02 PM Rating: Default
If you're trying to bait me into giving you my credentials/main character name, you can forget it. I'm still on the same server as Hitome (for now - might be moving soon) and {EDITED OUT BY THAYOS}. I doubt I'd give my IGN to anyone on ZAM anymore, besides maybe Wint or Thayos. Not because they were/are (I don't know. Where is Wint? I thought he was going to keep posting regardless) moderators though.

I do consider this buff (and game) pretty carebear mode. There is nothing challenging in this game right now, unless you actually believe that Dark Souls is too hard - in which case, we have much different ideas about game difficulty. The developers are much more concerned with making content as easily completed as possible than appealing to the hardcore crowd.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 6:06pm by LucasNox

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 3:48pm by Thayos
#62 Mar 21 2014 at 4:49 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe if you weren't such a douche all the time people would respond to you in a more positive way. Just a thought.

Edited, Mar 22nd 2014 4:31pm by Turin
#63 Mar 21 2014 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
People have had 6 months to finish this content with it's original difficulty intact. If you haven't done it or even attempted by now, you weren't going to do it anyways. Fact is, if you were truly interested in accomplishing these fights, you would of gone through what is needed to try the fights. Leveling one character to 50 and gearing up one job was not that time intensive. Afterwards, it was a matter of doing Coil once a week for an hour or two max. I never had a static for the first 3-4 months of Coils life and never did I have an issue completing it with pugs.

At least this way, people who would NEVER have had a chance at this gear, have a chance at it. It'll be good enough for most content while the others are getting the top notch stuff.
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I guess I just feel like if you can't kill the boss, you don't deserve his drops. Call me old fashioned.

The following applies to more than just raiding, but it's pretty much the common place where it must be brought up: Content people can't experience is content that may as well not exist to the individual who can't complete it.

I've already seen the rhetoric flung about like carebears, welfare, scrubs, blah blah here and elsewhere. And I'll be blunt: Get the **** over it.

Not everyone has the perfect FC. Not everyone lucks into competent PUGs. ****, the acquisition of some digital gear really isn't something someone should be losing sleep over if someone did it a different, but still legitimate way. The content will no longer be top tier. BC is over 6 months old by now where progression was gated for more by time and RNG than skill. Yes, it's ********************** easy to say there's no challenge in this game or MMOs in general as a veteran to a genre that seriously hasn't evolved much in interaction since their inception. Or are we going to fall back into wanting harsh death penalties, stupid rare spawns, more one-shot mechanics, more rage modes, and other typical BS that actually doesn't teach anything with its twisted sense of motivation, but simply punishes.

To those legitimately late to the party, well, them's the breaks. The easing of difficulty is absolutely required as the overall interest in an event diminishes. Otherwise, when get turns 11-15, you'll have the few at 11+, some still having difficulty with 6-10, and those who could probably just never find a full and competent group for 1-5. It's a problem that's manifested countless times in other MMOs, which is exactly why the ******** against is silly and old hat.
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#65 Mar 21 2014 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
All of what Seriha said.

This is all part of Yoshi's vision to create an online Final Fantasy game that's both challenging to the hardcore while remaining accessible to the masses. He clearly cares about not wanting people being left behind with no good way to catch up.

Looks like the echo buff is being implemented responsibly. This will make it easier for people in my FC to get caught up to the newer content, so I'm happy about that, too.
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#66 Mar 22 2014 at 1:34 PM Rating: Good
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If you're trying to bait me into giving you my credentials/main character name, you can forget it. I'm still on the same server as Hitome (for now - might be moving soon) and {EDITED OUT BY THAYOS}. I doubt I'd give my IGN to anyone on ZAM anymore, besides maybe Wint or Thayos. Not because they were/are (I don't know. Where is Wint? I thought he was going to keep posting regardless) moderators though.

I do consider this buff (and game) pretty carebear mode. There is nothing challenging in this game right now, unless you actually believe that Dark Souls is too hard - in which case, we have much different ideas about game difficulty. The developers are much more concerned with making content as easily completed as possible than appealing to the hardcore crowd.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 6:06pm by LucasNox

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 3:48pm by Thayos


All this time I just thought you were just a troll I completely misses the fact you were also one of the cool kids. My bad yo. Mad props to your skills and what-not.


Edited, Mar 22nd 2014 12:42pm by LebargeX
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Could I join a static party and grind it out 3 hours a night, 4 nights a week? Sure I could. I'm good enough to hold a spot in any group. My problem is: I have LOTS of other stuff I'd rather be doing. I'm just hoping this will make that last 1% do-able.....that or I'm just going to farm the new tomes for a higher level ring. :D


Joining a strong static party would actually allow you to get the same stuff done in a fraction of the time (considering the 30-50 wipes you mentioned earlier in your post), and allow you more time to do other stuff you like to be doing. If statics aren't your thing, that's cool to and it's up to you whether you want to join one, but I definitely wouldn't say it's a time sink to be in one. Quite the opposite, really. Some groups clear coil and extreme primals in about an hour and a half.
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Sidenote, sounds like LucasNox is afraid of his bad-behavior and general negativity following him into game. That, or the call out is successful and he really does not have the achievements to back his claims. Either way it speaks poorly to both his reputation and his credentials.

This is just my opinion, but if you are at the point in your gaming habits, where you can't be open with your character identity for fear of some sort of retribution, and you're actively engaging in arguments which leave you vulnerable to being called out - you've got a serious problem that needs Real-Life attention paid to it. The last thing you need to be doing is armchair critiquing a video game that does not meet your preferences in a negative light.

At that point there should be some serious life-assessment going on, before hitting the Post/Reply button again.

As far as people championing Dark Souls as a waymarker of difficulty, most don't even understand the structural concept behind the Souls series. I happen to have both games, but I'm not ashamed to say I haven't finished either Demons or Dark Souls. Mainly due to the time requirement involved. Sadly, those are games that beg to be explored and learned the hard way - something that I in no way have time for these days.

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Joining a strong static party would actually allow you to get the same stuff done in a fraction of the time (considering the 30-50 wipes you mentioned earlier in your post), and allow you more time to do other stuff you like to be doing. If statics aren't your thing, that's cool to and it's up to you whether you want to join one, but I definitely wouldn't say it's a time sink to be in one. Quite the opposite, really. Some groups clear coil and extreme primals in about an hour and a half.


Mn. I could see that. Though I'd have to question their Coil 2 Clear method if they're doing it in an hour an a half. I don't think you can over-gear against a mix of High Voltage and Allegan Rot. That's currenty a source of continual frustration.

However my Free Company takes a slower approach. We're not trying to 'clear' content so much as... master sounds too conceded... we're trying to learn from each challenge by working at it until we have it down, THEN move to the next one. Picking up loot as we go and gearing our people. It's why we're not yet onto Titan Extreme, and why we likely still wont progress past Coil 2 until we can get it down without the Enrage Tactic.

Edited, Mar 22nd 2014 4:33pm by Hyrist
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Mn. I could see that. Though I'd have to question their Coil 2 Clear method if they're doing it in an hour an a half. I don't think you can over-gear against a mix of High Voltage and Allegan Rot. That's currenty a source of continual frustration.

However my Free Company takes a slower approach. We're not trying to 'clear' content so much as... master sounds too conceded... we're trying to learn from each challenge by working at it until we have it down, THEN move to the next one. Picking up loot as we go and gearing our people. It's why we're not yet onto Titan Extreme, and why we likely still wont progress past Coil 2 until we can get it down without the Enrage Tactic.


Turn 2 isn't about overgearing at all. It has absolutely everything to do with having a solid plan for rot and having silencers who can reliably stun high voltage, just as you've mentioned. Trying to power through with i90 gear is no substitute for well executed mechanics. I'd much rather have a group well equipped do deal with the mechanics in full darklight rather than a full i90 group who has no idea how to deal with rot or high voltage every single time.

Edit: Even with enrage though, it's not that bad either. Gives people a few minutes to take an afk break and only really adds between 5 or 10 minutes to the run. The original way is way more fun though IMO and if everyone's attentive and wanting to clear, there's no point sitting around and extending the fight when it's unnecessary.

Edited, Mar 22nd 2014 4:48pm by Susanoh
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Turn 2 isn't about overgearing at all. It has absolutely everything to do with having a solid plan for rot and having silencers who can reliably stun high voltage, just as you've mentioned. Trying to power through with i90 gear is no substitute for well executed mechanics. I'd much rather have a group well equipped do deal with the mechanics in full darklight rather than a full i90 group who has no idea how to deal with rot or high voltage every single time.



I'm sorry if I implied that it has anything to do with overgearing. In fact I tried to stress the fact our Free Company more or less wants to wait until we've got the normal version of Coil 2 down (Aka, not using the enrage method) before we challenge beyond it.

My personal complaint is how class-narrow dealing with High Voltage is. I agree with the planned adjustments to High Voltage because I feel it allows the players to make more comprehensive choices on how to deal with the mechanic than having your 2 best latency players in the run go on Bard and rotate Blunt Arrow. I feel the mechanic is too narrow breath of solutions, reliant on the 3 classes who can silence, rather than giving multiple solutions to a static problem ,like how Allegan Rot requires you to rotate the debuff, but lets you decide among st your team how you choose to do that, or if you'd rather deal with the double-speed haste.
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Turn 2 isn't about overgearing at all. It has absolutely everything to do with having a solid plan for rot and having silencers who can reliably stun high voltage, just as you've mentioned. Trying to power through with i90 gear is no substitute for well executed mechanics. I'd much rather have a group well equipped do deal with the mechanics in full darklight rather than a full i90 group who has no idea how to deal with rot or high voltage every single time.



I'm sorry if I implied that it has anything to do with overgearing. In fact I tried to stress the fact our Free Company more or less wants to wait until we've got the normal version of Coil 2 down (Aka, not using the enrage method) before we challenge beyond it.

My personal complaint is how class-narrow dealing with High Voltage is. I agree with the planned adjustments to High Voltage because I feel it allows the players to make more comprehensive choices on how to deal with the mechanic than having your 2 best latency players in the run go on Bard and rotate Blunt Arrow. I feel the mechanic is too narrow breath of solutions, reliant on the 3 classes who can silence, rather than giving multiple solutions to a static problem ,like how Allegan Rot requires you to rotate the debuff, but lets you decide among st your team how you choose to do that, or if you'd rather deal with the double-speed haste.


I see, no harm no foul. Smiley: nod

I can see what you're getting at. Groups with bards will have a far easier time than ones without them IMO. Not that it can't be done without bards, but just that having ranged DPS who can stand absolutely anywhere they want to better align themselves to deal with allagan rot while also having an easily used silence available to them makes this a much simpler fight. I actually really like this fight, it's certainly one of the more interesting in the game IMO, but I wouldn't be against future encounters like this one allowing a wider range of jobs being able to deal with the mechanics.
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Could I join a static party and grind it out 3 hours a night, 4 nights a week? Sure I could. I'm good enough to hold a spot in any group. My problem is: I have LOTS of other stuff I'd rather be doing. I'm just hoping this will make that last 1% do-able.....that or I'm just going to farm the new tomes for a higher level ring. :D


Joining a strong static party would actually allow you to get the same stuff done in a fraction of the time (considering the 30-50 wipes you mentioned earlier in your post), and allow you more time to do other stuff you like to be doing. If statics aren't your thing, that's cool to and it's up to you whether you want to join one, but I definitely wouldn't say it's a time sink to be in one. Quite the opposite, really. Some groups clear coil and extreme primals in about an hour and a half.


While your point does make plenty of sense it doesn't mesh with what I'm seeing in game. All the 'ads' for statics are asking for a 3hr plus commitment for 3 nights plus a week.
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You can click it off - all arguments moot.


Not really, most people always try to take the most efficient route, whatever that is. Well then again you admitted you would use this carebear easymode buff for farming purposes so you know that.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 11:00am by LucasNox


I agree with allot of players it will be, not all..

I actually never thought about wiping intentionally to raise the buff. But that will really cheapen things.. Maybe they should just add a buff and that's it. I thought incremental buffs would be good but maybe not..

They could make it a time issue to like you have to be in there for 30 min.. This way it is still faster to just beat it.
Or add a buff with a penalty attached for each incremental increase in buff and less chance at drop...

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 11:19am by Nashred


Pay no attention Nash. As a troll trying to destroy the game from the Zam forums, Lucas is devastated that SE would make content easier so they don't pull a Dark Souls and throw their game discs against the wall and mass cancel their subscriptions, which he is in favor of.

New hardcore content with exclusive rewards will always be there for a set time, then once that phase moves over, those rewards will be the top content for those less fortunate. Something tells me that Lucas is screaming about carebear content, but there is no evidence he has cleared coil or obtained a primal weapon. Maybe hasn't even beat titan hm. He fails to post on those topics, instead preferring rants about philosophical FFXIV doomsday scenarios or plugging other mmos.

Edit: Just Checked. No, Lucas does not have his relic on his main. Barely has drachen mail. Has only 1 level 50. Has not beat titan hm, so he has no authority to speak on the philosophical effect of a 25% buff on extreme mode primals.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 4:00pm by Valkayree

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 4:03pm by Valkayree


I used to invest in companies and some game companies and spent allot of time on investing message boards... One thing you learn is trolls usually have a point even if so small, it may not make much of a different in the whole scheme of things but if they had no ammo they would not be here.

My real worry is Se is rushing things through and not thinking them through..

Example is sometimes good ideas become bad. The whole ready up thing was a great idea but implemented wrong at first. Now it is fixed and better.

The whole buff idea is good idea but if implemented wrong can be very bad idea like the the ready up thing..

My FC has not got thru the ex primal and we just finally beet turn 4 so I am going to have to deal with these friggin idiots in DF or PF that seem to want to wreck the game. If implemented wrong this is going to be annoying.. Just click it off is not going to work because I am sure it will have to be a party thing and not a individual thing through a vote. Otherwise it will even be more of a disaster.

But here is something someone in my FC pointed out and there was a live letter that came out the same day as the notes.. The live letter says something completely opposite of the notes on how the buff works in BC.. The live letter say the buff is not going to increase by the amount of fails but every couple weeks the buff will increase by like 5 percent. I haven't watched the live letter yet and it seems to have been missed by most. Anyway this is a better idea anyway and I have no reason to doubt the person that told me it. This was for BC he was talking about and not primals. Primals may be completely different. The question is which is right the live letter or the Notes...

Again this is a good idea if implemented right. There are always those few who try to ruin everything for everyone else.




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LebargeX wrote:
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Could I join a static party and grind it out 3 hours a night, 4 nights a week? Sure I could. I'm good enough to hold a spot in any group. My problem is: I have LOTS of other stuff I'd rather be doing. I'm just hoping this will make that last 1% do-able.....that or I'm just going to farm the new tomes for a higher level ring. :D

Joining a strong static party would actually allow you to get the same stuff done in a fraction of the time (considering the 30-50 wipes you mentioned earlier in your post), and allow you more time to do other stuff you like to be doing. If statics aren't your thing, that's cool to and it's up to you whether you want to join one, but I definitely wouldn't say it's a time sink to be in one. Quite the opposite, really. Some groups clear coil and extreme primals in about an hour and a half.

While your point does make plenty of sense it doesn't mesh with what I'm seeing in game. All the 'ads' for statics are asking for a 3hr plus commitment for 3 nights plus a week.

From doing Coil through PF, I've discovered a couple of advantages to playing in a static, aside from the time efficiencies already mentioned:
1. It weeds out the people who don't have the patience to improve or the persistence to work through challenges. I've been in quite a few PF groups where one or more people bail at the first sign of adversity.

2. You limit the number of times you can potentially lose the lot on a specific piece of gear. If you're a tank in a static, and you lose the lot on tanking body to the other tank, you know the next one is going to be yours. If you're a tank that only does Coil through pick up groups, there's no limit to the number of times you could get out lotted by the other tank, since there's no guarantee you'll ever run the same turn with the same people again.

The cost to these benefits is of course the time commitment you have to make. Turns 1-5 could probably be done in just 2 nights a week. Groups that are looking for more nights a week than that are probably also planning to static other weekly content like EX Primals and capping their weekly myth (now soldiery).
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With the whole "you have to beat this thing to be able to do this next thing" thing they have going on for a lot of their content, I'm not really surprised they're doing this.

But anyway, regarding anyone who's still blabbering about Titan EX, Echo (as advertised) isn't going to do jack ****. The only real ways to make this fight easier would be to lengthen the readying time on Landslide and plumes, because a mere 25% increase in stats is not going to make those things suddenly survivable.
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But here is something someone in my FC pointed out and there was a live letter that came out the same day as the notes.. The live letter says something completely opposite of the notes on how the buff works in BC.. The live letter say the buff is not going to increase by the amount of fails but every couple weeks the buff will increase by like 5 percent. I haven't watched the live letter yet and it seems to have been missed by most. Anyway this is a better idea anyway and I have no reason to doubt the person that told me it. This was for BC he was talking about and not primals. Primals may be completely different. The question is which is right the live letter or the Notes...
Edited, Mar 24th 2014 11:50am by Nashred


Primals are echo buff upon death and will begin in 2.2 (HM get 10% increments up to 50% where EX get 5% increments up to 25%)

BC buff will occur in 2.3 and will be applied in increments over time. (i.e. 10% buff the first week, 10% extra the second, 10% extra the third week up to a set total).

From my understanding then echo buff can be turned off... But why would you want to? Reminds me of the Obama vs Romney election where Romney used funds from super PACs and Obama was against it, then eventually decided that if he wanted to compete he had to use the funds against his wishes. He would have lost if he would not have accepted the funds from the super PACs because they were that powerful of an influence. Bottom line, why shoot yourself in the foot if you don't have to?

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