So this Echo Buff...Follow

I just found out about the echo buff being applied to older content, including Coil 1-5, starting with patch 2.2

Apparently it's a big deal, what is everyone's thoughts on this?

Will Coil be too easy now? Does it even matter since ilvl 90 will not be the best gear any longer?

So why would you not want the buff on? Just curious, if the loot is not BiS what's it matter if it was easier to obtain now that we're moving on to the next tier of armor?

My group will be doing T5 without the buff however there are still other coil changes that nerf the difficulty. The Echo buff is removable manually but then you have to make sure everyone does it or else it feels 'cheap'. Let's not start an argument about buying relics or cheating here or beating it the right way, this is an in game change.

I guess the alternative is that we simply one shot T5 lol.

It won't really matter. You will want to farm coil in DF, I assume, for chances at gear for the glamour system. That gear will no longer be BiS so no harm, no foul. Even Levi's weapons will be i100, probably outclassing Allagan weapons from Twin off the bat. This doesn't even consider the new currency loot and new coil loot.

I would like others to experience it the way I did but this wasn't exactly a well received method during CoP. Making it more available to people isn't necessarily a bad thing.

That said, nerfing one of the only 'endgame' instances in game so soon is just...stupid IMO. Not only are they adding changes to specific turns, but the echo buff will give you an advantage as well. Probably should have waited till the next major patch to introduce the echo buff.

I've never found any sources for this, but people in my FC keep telling me that the echo buff wont be available until a couple weeks after 2.2 drops. Anybody else hear of this?

I for one actually welcome this idea. I put a lot of hours into the game, but end game raiding isn't really my bag. It's not the difficulty of the content so much, it's more the whole "scene" of it. My FC is small and has people of a variety of skill levels and desire to run these instances. I'm under no illusion that if we ran this content as a group, it would be fail after fail, due to connection/hardware/skill issues, so I usually do PUG T1-4. This opens up my real issue, people. You join a PUG, start the run. 1 wipe later, everyone is a "@#$@#*^ n00b and shouldn't be allowed to play" and the group disbands. This mentality has meant i daren't join a T5 party, as I'm a n00b to it, and with no static for support, means I'm in limbo. However, give the members of my FC a buff which should allow some of us to carry others, and it's game on. I will have a sensible, patient group of people willing to work on content that may be outdated to some of you, but is fresh to us. The guys who get their weekly clears or who have been working at Twin for months with their stativs may see it as cheapening an experience, I see it as a way to make this content accessible to everyone.

You have to beat turns 1-5 to get to 6-9, but the echo buff will be applied to coil in a future patch. For 2.2 the hm primals will buff 10% at a time up until 50%, and the ex primals will step up in increments by 5%.

Good way to combat rage quitters.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 8:40am by Valkayree

EDIT: ok I see in a later post where you go it.. dont know how I missed that..

Incremental buffs sound pretty good, not sure 50 percent though that sound like it might be too easy but I guess that depends on what the buff gives you too.. If that is 50 percent to your stats wow.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 9:51am by Nashred

Ok where does it say incremental buffs and how they work? Or is it speculation based on what has been said?.

Wow not only are they adding buffs they nerfed it a little too:




Edited, Mar 21st 2014 10:13am by Nashred

It's in the patch notes

This is why I say for someone to do some maths. You don't just walk in, wipe, and get the buff. It takes time to build up.

Now that I have seen the patch notes, I like how SE implemented this. It's only automatic on the stuff thats getting much easier just by virtue of new gear.

You really need to read more than the first post and react to it blindly without any sort of understanding. If you had bothered to, you would have realized that my views reflect my Free Company's approach to raiding.

As far as intentionally wiping to abuse the Echo buff? Have fun with that. Personally, I'll drop out of any group that does, not that I'd have to. I've got a free company that shares my views - kind of a paramount requirement to enjoying this game, in my opinion.


Will it become common practice for Duty Finder groups? I don't believe so. Pride will have players attempt it genuinely, as well as players who, like me, who would prefer to conquer challenges without handholds. You will likely see "No Echo" show up on Party Finder Groups occasionally.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 10:56am by Hyrist