Crystal Tower and the communityFollow

A good point. I sleep pull with WHM most and that's single target. But your right, pulling groups of 3 with single target sleep is just asking for trouble.

Probably overstating just as you said because, as a WHM, players who don't heal to make a point really get my goat. If you don't want to heal, don't be a healer, otherwise get used to healing people you don't agree with.

I really gotta scale back on the grumpy pills.

Yeah I gotta agree. The FF11 community really got toxic when you really got involved enough with the community to know what was actually going on. Always makes it a little mystifying how people can carry on about how great the community was.

Versus here in FF14 everyone really seems pretty cool and relaxed in comparison as though most people are going around with an inner Fonzie going "eyyy".

I think you have the glasses on when in comes to FFXIV..
IF ffxi was so bad how come you rarely saw post about the community and with this game it is almost every third thread.

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Edited, Jan 30th 2014 11:43am by Nashred

You know, I tend to agree. Sometimes stereotypes (in this case the terrible FFXIV community) can perpetuate themselves and actually influence people's actions. There are always going to be bad apples. Move on. Discussing it ad nauseum and advertising it isn't going to make it any better anyways.

LOL all I was saying is that complaining about a poor community on a forum that is (generally) filled with the players that constitue the "good" side of the community isn't really getting at the audience you want. Nothing will really be changed by making "every third thread" here about how bad the community is.

I think you took it a bit too personally, you know we have a pretty solid community within our FC - I obviously don't understand the issue and haven't had nearly the bad experiences that you have. That does not mean the bad times don't exist... only that everyone has their own experiences.

However, I agree - I will move on from this thread and let you guys continue to discuss how horrible the community is - have at it!

Much of what you get out of the community is what you put in it.

I think it's almost impossible for everyone out there doing a pug to be an angry teen looking to vent their frustration against the screen or a troll seeking to spoil your run.

Most players are actually adults/young adults with regular life/stress looking to have a good time. If what you say get on their nerves, they are bound to react and you won't take their reaction well, the same way the didn't tolerate your "constructive criticism".

It's basic human interaction, when you acknowledge that the person in the other side of the screen it's meant to be treated with respect you will see how the community improves.

I'm confident about it, because I honestly do not think the community is bad, in fact for every *** hat, prick and self important jerk out there I have meet people who is genuinely kind and ready to try for a win. The key is respect, it's a good way to protect yourself, most people won't attack a guy who is polite and respectful, most people do not want that kind of reputation.

And finally, with 9 years of FFXI under my belt I don't particularly feel the community was better that the one in FFXIV, in fact the drama that the drop/loot/claiming system used to spam was way worse than anything I have seen in this game. Although since it was a slower game the interaction with others felt more personal, but the quality of people or the community in general feel pretty much the same.

Edit: typo

Edited, Jan 31st 2014 5:40am by kenage

First off no one said 100 percent of the people in this game are bad, also no one said FFXI was perfect. But there is something with this game when there are so many threads about the people in this game. No one sad there were not aholes in FFXI.
A couple people in our FC after our run this week in CT said they wont run CT anymore because of the aholes in ct. How is that good for the game when people dont want to run good content with good drops.? I actually thought that CT run was kind of civil compared to normal. I saw some of the bad in FFXI but no way is on the scale in this game.

I dont think discussing the things that are bad about this game and how they can be fixed is negative. It means people care about seeing this game improve. If people didnt care they would not post and leave the game. I also think it can make a difference in what happens. SE starts seeing that people are unhappy about something in the game they do change things. We are already starting to see them change the stance on housing..

I think people like you and Kezia play later and more of the kids are off the game so you dont see some of the crap we do. I think Charlie dont see it because he is a tank.

Kezia is right we have good and helpful people in our FC but we are a very small part of the overall community what we have maybe 20 to 25 on at a time max?. I am sure there are other good FC out there too.

I have to wonder if the official forums are not the cause of lot of the issues in this game. There are so many d-bags there. If people are interested in this game and do a search the loadstone and official forums come up first. They got to the forums and see all the crap there and the good people go: hey if this is how people act on this game forget it. The aholes go hey look I fit in here. It is a poor representation of this game.
I think the official forums should be taken down except for support issues.





Edited, Jan 31st 2014 9:43am by Nashred

Edited, Jan 31st 2014 10:15am by Nashred

Mhm, it happens in every MMO too, no one denied that, you just selectively read something and twisted it around to fit your argument. As I said, in XI I was never called trash because I spoke something other than Englsh to be helpful to a player who didn't speak English.

I'm not talking about one instance either, I'm talking about it being common enough on my datacenter grouping that I decided if someone speaks my native language and doesn't understand I stay quiet because of how assholeish people are in that regard. I have read the XI forums too, have you read XIV forums though? Compare the "What is wrong with this community" type of topics to XI's, and consider how old XI is, you can actually find archived forums or outdated forums with topics still present so you can actually do research.

Sorry to say but, as said, DF type of systems bring in the worst batch of players. Also doesn't help this game somehow attracted League of Legends players, which on the NA servers, are some of the worst online players I've had the pleasure of meeting. No one said XI's community was perfect, no one, but the style of game really made people act a different way and to answer your question:

"HALP MY LS BANK WAS STOLEN!"

Happened 100x less than people who purposefully go into CT just to **** over your run.

"YOU NINJA LOOTED MY GEAR!"

XI uses a universal loot system, it's easier to "ninja lot" and accidentally lot on it compared to Need/Greed/Pass which you can't "ninja lot" if someone needs it.

"MPK MPK MPK"

This hasn't been true since...what 2005? 2006? Whenever they introduced the patch to make monsters vanish rather than walk back. The only way to "mpk" now is if you decide to hang around bosses thats will Nuke anything in the area. However in XIV you can MPK the hell out of people in instances no problem, some do it purposefully because it's "funny" or because "I do this for my drunken tower/bingo!"

XIV's community is **** but there's always exceptions, people usually bring up XI because, and this should be no surprise, it's Square Enix's OTHER FF MMORPG.



See, that's the thing: I don't go around acting like a douche, yet I see it all the time, especially in LoTA or Primals. I mean hell, just look at what some people write on Party Finders, despite this game having known issues and glitches, people say stuff like "No lagging noobs" "Not a learnin party, no dumb players" etc. I disliked FFXIV 1.x, I liked some of the concepts but I will say, the community overall was better. I think the main problem is SE made progression so much faster and easier that the "instant gratification" people tend to get a big ego and we all know what ego's do to people in MMORPGs.

So you're not wrong, but you are wrong in thinking people were basically stating it was perfect in comparison when that wasn't the case, lots of people say XI had a more mature and better community in general because honestly, it did because it was a different time of MMORPGs and it wasn't designed to attract the type of people who tend to...well, be less than 'mature' and find pleasure if their sad lives to mess with other's gaming experience. In XI you could get a reputation and it stuck with you, in XIV you can get a reputation and no one really cares because, well, chances are you duty finder, the people you party finder with or in general it doesn't matter because the game's world is meaningless outside of instances anyway.

First off, I wasn't responding to you, so your argument against me was pointless. Second, JP players completely excluded NA players all the time in XI. They might not have called us trash (or maybe they did, I can't read Japanese), but they certainly used "JP only" and a lot wouldn't even respond to tells in English or even auto-translate. Some of it was simply the language barrier, some of it was them wanting nothing to do with us. It goes both ways.

Second, do your own research. If you want to make a point of how much worse it is here, then bring some evidence to the table yourself, don't ask me to find it for you. In my opinion, and based on my experiences thus far in both games, the communities are similar in terms of number of jerks. I've had a few bad groups in XIV and a bunch of average groups, with a handful of great groups thrown in from the DF. It's about the same as what I experienced in every other game with an auto-grouping tool. Yes, there are @#%^s. There are also really nice, awesome people. And the vast majority are somewhere in the middle.



And lots of people say it wasn't a more mature or better community, just different. I'm in an awesome FC and every time I log in I know I'm going to chat with people I enjoy chatting with, and have fun in game. A few dbags here and there aren't ruining that for me, and from my experiences, aren't making it any worse a community than what XI had. How about you drop the whole "right and wrong" argument and realize that every person is going to have a different game experience, and trying to force your experiences as law doesn't help prove anything.

Edited, Jan 31st 2014 12:51pm by BartelX

It's people like that which make us feel the community of FFXIV is a terrible one. Dont let it get to you.

I'm sorry if I've offended you Nash, it wasn't my intent. If I disagree with someone, I let them know. It doesn't mean I think you're a liar, or anything. It means that I disagree with you on this topic. I actually think you're a really great guy and super helpful to our FC. I also realize you're quite opinionated, as am I. People like this tend to clash at times, but it doesn't mean I don't respect you. I only mentioned the kids thing because this is the second thread you've specifically called out "kids" as the trouble makers, and I was just making a point that it's more than just kids. Not trying to turn your words, just trying to give another point of view. Again, apologies if I offended you, it was really just meant as a debate while waiting for this jerkwad verizon guy to finish at my house so I can actually play the game instead of jabber on here. Four days without the game makes me cranky.

Edited, Jan 31st 2014 3:36pm by BartelX