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agreed, id rather get booted 1x per 3 months for being a monk in WP (has yet to happen to my monk) then risk another instance with a troll jumping around naked in a bikini not helping.
I can see both sides of the argument but tend to side with Charlie and Jes. The system may be specifically for abusive or AFK players, but people will use systems any way they need to. Whether or not the player is bad is besides the point. It is a vote-kick feature which must mean there were a few people in the instance that wanted something changed by removing a player. Whether or not it actually reflects that players skill is totally besides the point.
You could be the best in the world, but for some reason or another if someone initiates the boot and enough people agree to it, there was obviously something happening there.
That being said there will always be people on both sides of the line. There will be people too quick to boot others, and other people who struggle through a dungeon without booting someone simply because they don't want to be that *** hat. For every example that can be provided of someone being kicked for no (apparent) reason, there are examples of people who are undw skilled or under geared being carried through content...
Example: ran an AK run the other day with a BLM who's DPS was quite low, 2nd DPS was a zenith BRD... We failed to the demon wall many times until we managed to just squeak by... We also lost to the last boss a few times and were getting really close to the time limit but managed to pull out the win. We didn't boot him, and he was grateful to make it through an get his tomes... But if we would have failed instead that would have been a lot of wasted time and effort.
You could be the best in the world, but for some reason or another if someone initiates the boot and enough people agree to it, there was obviously something happening there.
That being said there will always be people on both sides of the line. There will be people too quick to boot others, and other people who struggle through a dungeon without booting someone simply because they don't want to be that *** hat. For every example that can be provided of someone being kicked for no (apparent) reason, there are examples of people who are undw skilled or under geared being carried through content...
Example: ran an AK run the other day with a BLM who's DPS was quite low, 2nd DPS was a zenith BRD... We failed to the demon wall many times until we managed to just squeak by... We also lost to the last boss a few times and were getting really close to the time limit but managed to pull out the win. We didn't boot him, and he was grateful to make it through an get his tomes... But if we would have failed instead that would have been a lot of wasted time and effort.
Keep in mind, it's a new feature that's been designed a lot after the success of the League of Legends reporting feature. Since it's new, it's fairly easy for a certain hostile subgroup of people to abuse it, but they're already using up their kicking power, so they won't be abusive for long. The more you report, the less your report is worth, unless they're AFK flagged or disconnected. Because it's new, it seems worse than it is, but it won't be this way for long.
There's growing pains with every system. Iteration is an unfortunate necessity. I truly wish we could all get it right, for everybody, the first time, but it never happens.
There's growing pains with every system. Iteration is an unfortunate necessity. I truly wish we could all get it right, for everybody, the first time, but it never happens.
A subject close to my heart....I just got perma-banned for coming out against vote kick in "those" forums.
Original Post:
​I voted against vote kicking because of this, and yesterday I saw in the party finder, "Looking for people for "XXX " run, if you don't know your job and die you will be kicked. This s**t isn't supposed to happen and is harassment, yet no one complained or called him on it because that's just what these goons want. Complain, get kicked, die, get kicked, make a mistake, get kicked, watch cut scenes, get kicked, don't like your gear, get kicked, they will be fixing this thank goodness, there needs to be consequences for elitist prickery
I guess I was too harsh ;)
Original Post:
​I voted against vote kicking because of this, and yesterday I saw in the party finder, "Looking for people for "XXX " run, if you don't know your job and die you will be kicked. This s**t isn't supposed to happen and is harassment, yet no one complained or called him on it because that's just what these goons want. Complain, get kicked, die, get kicked, make a mistake, get kicked, watch cut scenes, get kicked, don't like your gear, get kicked, they will be fixing this thank goodness, there needs to be consequences for elitist prickery
I guess I was too harsh ;)
ragamuffin the Fussy wrote:
A subject close to my heart....I just got perma-banned for coming out against vote kick in "those" forums.
Original Post:
​I voted against vote kicking because of this, and yesterday I saw in the party finder, "Looking for people for "XXX " run, if you don't know your job and die you will be kicked.
Original Post:
​I voted against vote kicking because of this, and yesterday I saw in the party finder, "Looking for people for "XXX " run, if you don't know your job and die you will be kicked.
That is not harrassment, that is elitism, which is perfectly fine, dont join those because it should be clear that they are asses. /end.
Things I sometimes play...
"What do you want to be when you grow up?"
"I want to be a unicorn!"
"Awww, why's that?"........
"So I can stab people with my face."
"What do you want to be when you grow up?"
"I want to be a unicorn!"
"Awww, why's that?"........
"So I can stab people with my face."
This is what bothers me...
If you are a good player help that bad player out instead of kicking him.. He may just not know what to do. Not everyone studys or sits on the forums learning every little thing.
Charlie those people in CT may not have known what to do.. Every one is in such a rush no one explains anything.They may not have been hitting mobs because they were afraid to make a mistake and hit the wrong mob because of all the verbal abuse and the kicking. Everyone does things different even if you went through with a party one way. Yesterday I did 3 ct runs and in two of them someone started the battle without a big chunk of the players in.. Well complete wipe, so took even longer. Maybe they were dogging it and deserved it who knows.
Also a fact ps3 users dont always see everything in ct all the time and that is not their fault and they don't even know it. Yesterday Tesee was deathly afraid of getting kicked from ct or dropping.. the last 3 boss did not even show up for the first quarter of the fight.. She did not even see her animation when she shot.. Is that her fault? should she have been kicked?
She wanted her seals.
Be the bigger person everyone and help people out. I know everyone is in a rush but slow down enjoy the game...
people that intentionally not doing their job or trying to ***** things up is abuse and should be kicked,
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 8:03pm by Nashred
If you are a good player help that bad player out instead of kicking him.. He may just not know what to do. Not everyone studys or sits on the forums learning every little thing.
Charlie those people in CT may not have known what to do.. Every one is in such a rush no one explains anything.They may not have been hitting mobs because they were afraid to make a mistake and hit the wrong mob because of all the verbal abuse and the kicking. Everyone does things different even if you went through with a party one way. Yesterday I did 3 ct runs and in two of them someone started the battle without a big chunk of the players in.. Well complete wipe, so took even longer. Maybe they were dogging it and deserved it who knows.
Also a fact ps3 users dont always see everything in ct all the time and that is not their fault and they don't even know it. Yesterday Tesee was deathly afraid of getting kicked from ct or dropping.. the last 3 boss did not even show up for the first quarter of the fight.. She did not even see her animation when she shot.. Is that her fault? should she have been kicked?
She wanted her seals.
Be the bigger person everyone and help people out. I know everyone is in a rush but slow down enjoy the game...
people that intentionally not doing their job or trying to ***** things up is abuse and should be kicked,
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 8:03pm by Nashred
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Server: Phoenix
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ragamuffin the Fussy wrote:
A subject close to my heart....I just got perma-banned for coming out against vote kick in "those" forums.
Original Post:
​I voted against vote kicking because of this, and yesterday I saw in the party finder, "Looking for people for "XXX " run, if you don't know your job and die you will be kicked. This s**t isn't supposed to happen and is harassment, yet no one complained or called him on it because that's just what these goons want. Complain, get kicked, die, get kicked, make a mistake, get kicked, watch cut scenes, get kicked, don't like your gear, get kicked, they will be fixing this thank goodness, there needs to be consequences for elitist prickery
I guess I was too harsh ;)
Original Post:
​I voted against vote kicking because of this, and yesterday I saw in the party finder, "Looking for people for "XXX " run, if you don't know your job and die you will be kicked. This s**t isn't supposed to happen and is harassment, yet no one complained or called him on it because that's just what these goons want. Complain, get kicked, die, get kicked, make a mistake, get kicked, watch cut scenes, get kicked, don't like your gear, get kicked, they will be fixing this thank goodness, there needs to be consequences for elitist prickery
I guess I was too harsh ;)
Knowing how squicky clean they try to keep those boards, you probably got banned for using the terms "s**t" and "elitist prickery" in the post, to be honest.
Because there's no way they banned you for being against Vote kicking when this monster thread is still there, and with a community manager response, no less.
ragamuffin the Fussy wrote:
​I voted against vote kicking because of this, and yesterday I saw in the party finder, "Looking for people for "XXX " run, if you don't know your job and die you will be kicked.
If it's a party finder group, doesn't the party lead have the option to boot people without requiring a vote?
Nashred wrote:
This is what bothers me...
If you are a good player help that bad player out instead of kicking him.. He may just not know what to do. Not everyone studys or sits on the forums learning every little thing.
Charlie those people in CT may not have known what to do.. Every one is in such a rush no one explains anything.They may not have been hitting mobs because they were afraid to make a mistake and hit the wrong mob because of all the verbal abuse and the kicking. Everyone does things different even if you went through with a party one way. Yesterday I did 3 ct runs and in two of them someone started the battle without a big chunk of the players in.. Well complete wipe, so took even longer. Maybe they were dogging it and deserved it who knows.
Also a fact ps3 users dont always see everything in ct all the time and that is not their fault and they don't even know it. Yesterday Tesee was deathly afraid of getting kicked from ct or dropping.. the last 3 boss did not even show up for the first quarter of the fight.. She did not even see her animation when she shot.. Is that her fault? should she have been kicked?
She wanted her seals.
Be the bigger person everyone and help people out. I know everyone is in a rush but slow down enjoy the game...
people that intentionally not doing their job or trying to ***** things up is abuse and should be kicked,
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 8:03pm by Nashred
If you are a good player help that bad player out instead of kicking him.. He may just not know what to do. Not everyone studys or sits on the forums learning every little thing.
Charlie those people in CT may not have known what to do.. Every one is in such a rush no one explains anything.They may not have been hitting mobs because they were afraid to make a mistake and hit the wrong mob because of all the verbal abuse and the kicking. Everyone does things different even if you went through with a party one way. Yesterday I did 3 ct runs and in two of them someone started the battle without a big chunk of the players in.. Well complete wipe, so took even longer. Maybe they were dogging it and deserved it who knows.
Also a fact ps3 users dont always see everything in ct all the time and that is not their fault and they don't even know it. Yesterday Tesee was deathly afraid of getting kicked from ct or dropping.. the last 3 boss did not even show up for the first quarter of the fight.. She did not even see her animation when she shot.. Is that her fault? should she have been kicked?
She wanted her seals.
Be the bigger person everyone and help people out. I know everyone is in a rush but slow down enjoy the game...
people that intentionally not doing their job or trying to ***** things up is abuse and should be kicked,
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 8:03pm by Nashred
I play on the ps3, if your character is animation lagging, just make sure to keep up with what your crossbar is telling you. As long as you keep the rotation going, the animation is not needed, the game will catch up, and all the skills you use while its lagging will still go through.
Pretty sure the guy was not new to CT.....with his CT loot equipped. He gets the boot. ...Well, maybe his friend was over to the house, and the primary user decided to let his friend play for the first time, without explaining any of controls. Now I feel bad that I booted him.
Just fyi, I help out most anyone on this game. I sat for 2 hours helping some random dude run through the CT fates, just because no one else was around to help him. Please try not to lecture me on the need for people to help others, I have spent more then enough time running people through dungeons and other content deserve some amount of respect.
supermegazeke wrote:
Nashred wrote:
This is what bothers me...
If you are a good player help that bad player out instead of kicking him.. He may just not know what to do. Not everyone studys or sits on the forums learning every little thing.
Charlie those people in CT may not have known what to do.. Every one is in such a rush no one explains anything.They may not have been hitting mobs because they were afraid to make a mistake and hit the wrong mob because of all the verbal abuse and the kicking. Everyone does things different even if you went through with a party one way. Yesterday I did 3 ct runs and in two of them someone started the battle without a big chunk of the players in.. Well complete wipe, so took even longer. Maybe they were dogging it and deserved it who knows.
Also a fact ps3 users dont always see everything in ct all the time and that is not their fault and they don't even know it. Yesterday Tesee was deathly afraid of getting kicked from ct or dropping.. the last 3 boss did not even show up for the first quarter of the fight.. She did not even see her animation when she shot.. Is that her fault? should she have been kicked?
She wanted her seals.
Be the bigger person everyone and help people out. I know everyone is in a rush but slow down enjoy the game...
people that intentionally not doing their job or trying to ***** things up is abuse and should be kicked,
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 8:03pm by Nashred
If you are a good player help that bad player out instead of kicking him.. He may just not know what to do. Not everyone studys or sits on the forums learning every little thing.
Charlie those people in CT may not have known what to do.. Every one is in such a rush no one explains anything.They may not have been hitting mobs because they were afraid to make a mistake and hit the wrong mob because of all the verbal abuse and the kicking. Everyone does things different even if you went through with a party one way. Yesterday I did 3 ct runs and in two of them someone started the battle without a big chunk of the players in.. Well complete wipe, so took even longer. Maybe they were dogging it and deserved it who knows.
Also a fact ps3 users dont always see everything in ct all the time and that is not their fault and they don't even know it. Yesterday Tesee was deathly afraid of getting kicked from ct or dropping.. the last 3 boss did not even show up for the first quarter of the fight.. She did not even see her animation when she shot.. Is that her fault? should she have been kicked?
She wanted her seals.
Be the bigger person everyone and help people out. I know everyone is in a rush but slow down enjoy the game...
people that intentionally not doing their job or trying to ***** things up is abuse and should be kicked,
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 8:03pm by Nashred
I play on the ps3, if your character is animation lagging, just make sure to keep up with what your crossbar is telling you. As long as you keep the rotation going, the animation is not needed, the game will catch up, and all the skills you use while its lagging will still go through.
Pretty sure the guy was not new to CT.....with his CT loot equipped. He gets the boot. ...Well, maybe his friend was over to the house, and the primary user decided to let his friend play for the first time, without explaining any of controls. Now I feel bad that I booted him.
Just fyi, I help out most anyone on this game. I sat for 2 hours helping some random dude run through the CT fates, just because no one else was around to help him. Please try not to lecture me on the need for people to help others, I have spent more then enough time running people through dungeons and other content deserve some amount of respect.
That was not directed to you except the CT part it was a general statement too everyone.
Don't be so hasty to kick, help the person out so they get better.. It will only help the game in the long run.. ******** at people, booting or dropping does not help anyone it just takes the enjoyment out of the game...
Edited, Jan 15th 2014 9:36am by Nashred
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Server: Phoenix
FFXIV : Sir Nashred
server: Ultros
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server: Ultros
Nashred wrote:
supermegazeke wrote:
Nashred wrote:
This is what bothers me...
If you are a good player help that bad player out instead of kicking him.. He may just not know what to do. Not everyone studys or sits on the forums learning every little thing.
Charlie those people in CT may not have known what to do.. Every one is in such a rush no one explains anything.They may not have been hitting mobs because they were afraid to make a mistake and hit the wrong mob because of all the verbal abuse and the kicking. Everyone does things different even if you went through with a party one way. Yesterday I did 3 ct runs and in two of them someone started the battle without a big chunk of the players in.. Well complete wipe, so took even longer. Maybe they were dogging it and deserved it who knows.
Also a fact ps3 users dont always see everything in ct all the time and that is not their fault and they don't even know it. Yesterday Tesee was deathly afraid of getting kicked from ct or dropping.. the last 3 boss did not even show up for the first quarter of the fight.. She did not even see her animation when she shot.. Is that her fault? should she have been kicked?
She wanted her seals.
Be the bigger person everyone and help people out. I know everyone is in a rush but slow down enjoy the game...
people that intentionally not doing their job or trying to ***** things up is abuse and should be kicked,
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 8:03pm by Nashred
If you are a good player help that bad player out instead of kicking him.. He may just not know what to do. Not everyone studys or sits on the forums learning every little thing.
Charlie those people in CT may not have known what to do.. Every one is in such a rush no one explains anything.They may not have been hitting mobs because they were afraid to make a mistake and hit the wrong mob because of all the verbal abuse and the kicking. Everyone does things different even if you went through with a party one way. Yesterday I did 3 ct runs and in two of them someone started the battle without a big chunk of the players in.. Well complete wipe, so took even longer. Maybe they were dogging it and deserved it who knows.
Also a fact ps3 users dont always see everything in ct all the time and that is not their fault and they don't even know it. Yesterday Tesee was deathly afraid of getting kicked from ct or dropping.. the last 3 boss did not even show up for the first quarter of the fight.. She did not even see her animation when she shot.. Is that her fault? should she have been kicked?
She wanted her seals.
Be the bigger person everyone and help people out. I know everyone is in a rush but slow down enjoy the game...
people that intentionally not doing their job or trying to ***** things up is abuse and should be kicked,
Edited, Jan 14th 2014 8:03pm by Nashred
I play on the ps3, if your character is animation lagging, just make sure to keep up with what your crossbar is telling you. As long as you keep the rotation going, the animation is not needed, the game will catch up, and all the skills you use while its lagging will still go through.
Pretty sure the guy was not new to CT.....with his CT loot equipped. He gets the boot. ...Well, maybe his friend was over to the house, and the primary user decided to let his friend play for the first time, without explaining any of controls. Now I feel bad that I booted him.
Just fyi, I help out most anyone on this game. I sat for 2 hours helping some random dude run through the CT fates, just because no one else was around to help him. Please try not to lecture me on the need for people to help others, I have spent more then enough time running people through dungeons and other content deserve some amount of respect.
That was not directed to you except the CT part it was a general statement too everyone.
Don't be so hasty to kick, help the person out so they get better.. It will only help the game in the long run.. ******** at people, booting or dropping does not help anyone it just takes the enjoyment out of the game...
Edited, Jan 15th 2014 9:36am by Nashred
It helps the rest of the party, in that the dps standing in the back doing nothing helps no one. I'm not saying he was doing something wrong class wise, he was just letting everyone else do the work, so he cold get easy rewards while practically afking the entire dungeon. When I ask for respect, it's in the sense that I can tell the difference between someone who looks new and needs help, and someone who is just being an *******.
I saw a guy chilling at the entrance while the rest of the alliance was running all over hell and back.
If he'd been in my party I would have vote/kicked him too.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 5:13am by LebargeX
If he'd been in my party I would have vote/kicked him too.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 5:13am by LebargeX
LebargeX wrote:
I saw a guy chilling at the entrance while the rest of the alliance was running all over hell and back.
If he'd been in my party I would have vote/kicked him too.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 5:13am by LebargeX
If he'd been in my party I would have vote/kicked him too.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 5:13am by LebargeX
I am again just saying ps3 users sometimes cant see the bosses period or mobs. It happened to Tesee Monday night where the last 3 battles no mobs or bosses even showed up for about the first 25 percent of the fight, she could hit nothing because she could not see it. Sometime a few of the mobs will not show up and ps3 users have no idea. I told Tes to get this bomb off me because no one else was, She turns to me and goes what bomb. It just didnt show up and I was probably in a party with other ps3 users who didn't see it either, but unless you are sitting next to someone on a pc you dont even know it. How could you know somehting is in front of you if you cant see it..
If you are on a ps3 and do ct enough that could be you going where are the mobs and standing there. These things seem to be worse on Monday after the reset. Maybe a simple what is going on before booting people would be nice.
Maybe someone had to afk for a second it happens too... most people should say something though..
I am also not saying there are those that dont need to be booted.. Abuse is abuse and if people are abusing the system then fine they need to be booted.
All I am saying is the boot system is being abused and people are being kicked for reasons they should not be.
I saw you post about ct and you were afraid of asking a question because you didn't want to be n00booted and it should not be that way. People should not be afraid of asking for help..
I was not there in either yours or Charlie situation so I dont know what was going on.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 10:36am by Nashred
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 10:50am by Nashred
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Server: Phoenix
FFXIV : Sir Nashred
server: Ultros
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server: Ultros
Nashred wrote:
LebargeX wrote:
I saw a guy chilling at the entrance while the rest of the alliance was running all over hell and back.
If he'd been in my party I would have vote/kicked him too.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 5:13am by LebargeX
If he'd been in my party I would have vote/kicked him too.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 5:13am by LebargeX
I am again just saying ps3 users sometimes cant see the bosses period or mobs. It happened to Tesee Monday night where the last 3 battles no mobs or bosses even showed up for about the first 25 percent of the fight, she could hit nothing because she could not see it. Sometime a few of the mobs will not show up and ps3 users have no idea. I told Tes to get this bomb off me because no one else was, She turns to me and goes what bomb. It just didnt show up and I was probably in a party with other ps3 users who didn't see it either, but unless you are sitting next to someone on a pc you dont even know it. How could you know somehting is in front of you if you cant see it..
If you are on a ps3 and do ct enough that could be you going where are the mobs and standing there. These things seem to be worse on Monday after the reset. Maybe a simple what is going on before booting people would be nice.
Maybe someone had to afk for a second it happens too... most people should say something though..
I am also not saying there are those that dont need to be booted.. Abuse is abuse and if people are abusing the system then fine they need to be booted.
All I am saying is the boot system is being abused and people are being kicked for reasons they should not be.
I saw you post about ct and you were afraid of asking a question because you didn't want to be n00booted and it should not be that way. People should not be afraid of asking for help..
I was not there in either yours or Charlie situation so I dont know what was going on.
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 10:36am by Nashred
Edited, Jan 16th 2014 10:50am by Nashred
I've told you now multiple times what was going on, so you can wrap it in whatever hypothetical bullcrap you can think of for days and days and days, I no longer care.
We vote kicked someone today. He was in a cutscene for like five minutes. We didn't know if he has crashed, gone afk, or what. He didn't say anything... And I KNOW that cutscene is less than five minutes.
I don't mind someone going afk mid-run -- in my CM just now someone had to run and make a baby bottle - but you have to tell someone you're afk. Most of us are grown adults and we'll wait for you if we have some inkling of the duration of your afk and the reason.
Even a "brb" is enough. At least we know you're gone.
I don't mind someone going afk mid-run -- in my CM just now someone had to run and make a baby bottle - but you have to tell someone you're afk. Most of us are grown adults and we'll wait for you if we have some inkling of the duration of your afk and the reason.
Even a "brb" is enough. At least we know you're gone.
Most likely is a crash in CSs (especially with PS3). Some people are reluctant to hit the power button, but that is often the quickest way to uncrash the console.
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dustinfoley wrote:
On a side note, if you have been kicked multiple times and you feel it is unfounded, you can actually petition and talk to a gm about it.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
If you have been kicked multiple times, then it's probably you. Especially if it's with different groups.If you're going back to the same group that keeps vote kicking you, then you're an idiot for going back to them.
Yes, the system does get abused by a few people, however, if you're always the victim then it might be something you're doing or not doing.
ACLinjury wrote:
dustinfoley wrote:
On a side note, if you have been kicked multiple times and you feel it is unfounded, you can actually petition and talk to a gm about it.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
If you have been kicked multiple times, then it's probably you. Especially if it's with different groups.If you're going back to the same group that keeps vote kicking you, then you're an idiot for going back to them.
Yes, the system does get abused by a few people, however, if you're always the victim then it might be something you're doing or not doing.
Don't judge me, you dont even know me.. I have played with probably 1/4 the regular posters on this site and I think they could vouch for me that I am not the kind of person that causes trouble, I dont afk, and I am a good enough player that should not happen too.. I dont talk crap, I dont say much at all unless need be.
Edited, Jan 20th 2014 9:45am by Nashred
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Server: Phoenix
FFXIV : Sir Nashred
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server: Ultros
Nashred wrote:
ACLinjury wrote:
dustinfoley wrote:
On a side note, if you have been kicked multiple times and you feel it is unfounded, you can actually petition and talk to a gm about it.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
If you have been kicked multiple times, then it's probably you. Especially if it's with different groups.If you're going back to the same group that keeps vote kicking you, then you're an idiot for going back to them.
Yes, the system does get abused by a few people, however, if you're always the victim then it might be something you're doing or not doing.
Don't judge me, you dont even know me.. I have played with probably 1/4 the regular posters on this site and I think they could vouch for me that I am not the kind of person that causes trouble, I dont afk, and I am a good enough player that should not happen too.. I dont talk crap, I dont say much at all unless need be.
Edited, Jan 20th 2014 9:45am by Nashred
I know you're a nice person. You healed when the company ran through CM and the other place as part of my complete of the main story!
Personally, unless someone is really being rude to everyone in a group, or is D/C, I will not vote kick them. Let new players learn, let them watch cut scenes, let them enjoy the game.
But yes, you're a nice person, I'll vouch for that.
ACLinjury wrote:
Nashred wrote:
ACLinjury wrote:
dustinfoley wrote:
On a side note, if you have been kicked multiple times and you feel it is unfounded, you can actually petition and talk to a gm about it.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
Write down the peoples names and why you think they booted you and a gm can look it up. Then those people vote kicking for stupid stuff will be banned one by one.
If you have been kicked multiple times, then it's probably you. Especially if it's with different groups.If you're going back to the same group that keeps vote kicking you, then you're an idiot for going back to them.
Yes, the system does get abused by a few people, however, if you're always the victim then it might be something you're doing or not doing.
Don't judge me, you dont even know me.. I have played with probably 1/4 the regular posters on this site and I think they could vouch for me that I am not the kind of person that causes trouble, I dont afk, and I am a good enough player that should not happen too.. I dont talk crap, I dont say much at all unless need be.
Edited, Jan 20th 2014 9:45am by Nashred
I know you're a nice person. You healed when the company ran through CM and the other place as part of my complete of the main story!
Personally, unless someone is really being rude to everyone in a group, or is D/C, I will not vote kick them. Let new players learn, let them watch cut scenes, let them enjoy the game.
But yes, you're a nice person, I'll vouch for that.
Ok sorry, I thought you were talking about me because I was the one who got booted twice.. Ack didn't even recognize your user name in here and I guess you do know me some what.
It is just touchy subject with me because I try and help and be nice. Even if a party looks to fail I will stay and help.. If it looks like there is no chance with the person and you need the win nicely ask them to back out.. Make a few suggestion on playing better like maybe get some better gear because dps was too low etc.
A couple people in our Fc were complaining this weekend about this being abused too. i think someone got booted, I was busy so missed the whole thing. I just dont get why so many people are dropping or booting people..
I was running a low level dungeon this weekend as Thaumaturge and we must have had a new healer and the tank died.. Tank left right away, just said bye and gone. Why didn't he help this healer. It was a easy dungeon, DF roulette is too help these people, not make them feel bad because some high level person wanted to rush through for the tomes. It was to help the the newbie..
I was in a garuda ex party and first phase I was asked to not heal but too only holy the plumes, I did holy 3 times and still got yelled at for not using holy. Second time I get yelled at for over healing during the first phase, Well I didn't heal because I was asked not and only did holy, some how the tank lost hate. You do as told and still get yelled at... Everyone is blaming everyone. I must have been fill in in duty finder for a fc or group, so they went at me... I didn't get booted this time though just blamed and swore at.. Two other garuda ex parties there was someone who said they were new and after one try everyone gone. One Garuda ex party was a new tank and within minutes they both were screaming at each other. Why did the other tank not help him..
One suggestion though, watch a video minimum before entering a fight like Garuda extreme or hardmode it is the least someone should do instead of waisting peoples time... Garuda EX is way to much to explain to someone. People need to do a little research on endgame stuff before attempting it. I think this is one of the thing making people angry.
DF has turned into a cesspool really.. Not all of been bad but it beginning to be way over half since hitting end game but it is getting worse..
By the way this post is not directed at anyone.. Just a general reply with some suggestions and stuff that happened to me this weekend again..
The real questions is?
Is end game that horrible people dont want to spend even another second on it. People hate end game so much it turn them in well you know.. Booting people hurts some people feelings because they think they did something wrong. People turn into that kind of person. Is end game that bad, must be for people to act like this and not want to help someone out..
Edited, Jan 20th 2014 11:12am by Nashred
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We need a DF horror stories thread.
I'll throw my most recent one out there:
Got into Copperbell Mines HM at the first boss. Group says other tank left for no reason. I'm thinking, okay, maybe he was a jerk. Walk up and see them and I begin to understand why: the group is geared in a combination of AF, i55 pieces, underleveled accessories and weapons (I'm full i90). I'm thinking, well I'm not gonna be that guy who leaves on account of bad gear, so I stick it out. Managing this group was extremely challenging- they would get hit by most AOEs, had no idea how to handle the boss fights (even when I expained in extreme detail before hand), and they kept making the same mistakes. For the spriggan on steroids, I literally killed all the trash, placed the bombs, and tanked all by myself. For the final boss, they could not understand the feeding the worm mechanic, so I had to do that, while tanking, and killing the adds because all they did was attack the boss.
After countless wipes we won with 2 minutes left. But the thing that frustrated me the most was the awful limit break macro that the dragoon (of course had). It went something like this (and no it was not ironic; every time he would use it he would spam it so the entire chat log filled up; he also liked to use it at 1 bar every time):
/p I am at full strength!
/p I WILL BRING THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD DOWN ON YOUR HEAD!
Gag. Sputter. Death rattle.
Anyone, just needed to vent. I moderately feel better now.
I'll throw my most recent one out there:
Got into Copperbell Mines HM at the first boss. Group says other tank left for no reason. I'm thinking, okay, maybe he was a jerk. Walk up and see them and I begin to understand why: the group is geared in a combination of AF, i55 pieces, underleveled accessories and weapons (I'm full i90). I'm thinking, well I'm not gonna be that guy who leaves on account of bad gear, so I stick it out. Managing this group was extremely challenging- they would get hit by most AOEs, had no idea how to handle the boss fights (even when I expained in extreme detail before hand), and they kept making the same mistakes. For the spriggan on steroids, I literally killed all the trash, placed the bombs, and tanked all by myself. For the final boss, they could not understand the feeding the worm mechanic, so I had to do that, while tanking, and killing the adds because all they did was attack the boss.
After countless wipes we won with 2 minutes left. But the thing that frustrated me the most was the awful limit break macro that the dragoon (of course had). It went something like this (and no it was not ironic; every time he would use it he would spam it so the entire chat log filled up; he also liked to use it at 1 bar every time):
/p I am at full strength!
/p I WILL BRING THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD DOWN ON YOUR HEAD!
Gag. Sputter. Death rattle.
Anyone, just needed to vent. I moderately feel better now.
I might be an onion thief, but I'm still a thief.â„¢
The One and Only Onionthiefx wrote:
After countless wipes we won with 2 minutes left. But the thing that frustrated me the most was the awful limit break macro that the dragoon (of course had). It went something like this (and no it was not ironic; every time he would use it he would spam it so the entire chat log filled up; he also liked to use it at 1 bar every time):
/p I am at full strength!
/p I WILL BRING THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD DOWN ON YOUR HEAD!
Gag. Sputter. Death rattle.
/p I am at full strength!
/p I WILL BRING THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD DOWN ON YOUR HEAD!
Gag. Sputter. Death rattle.
I've been contemplating making a hotbar full of really aweful /p chat macros attached to all of my skills, and see what kind of reactions I get with DF groups.
Not too long ago I actually got a WAR in a DF group that had a Berserk macro that announced when it wore off (and therefore, received pacification status) which basically translated to "Esuna me". First and so far only person I've seen that does this, although I'm sure he's not the only one out there. I just chortled to myself and made it a point to myself not to bother healing it. It's five goddamn seconds dude, I think you'll live. Do a Flash or pop some other JAs or something, jeez.
Fynlar wrote:
Not too long ago I actually got a WAR in a DF group that had a Berserk macro that announced when it wore off (and therefore, received pacification status) which basically translated to "Esuna me". First and so far only person I've seen that does this, although I'm sure he's not the only one out there. I just chortled to myself and made it a point to myself not to bother healing it. It's five goddamn seconds dude, I think you'll live. Do a Flash or pop some other JAs or something, jeez.
If you weren't casting esuna on him simply because you weren't skilled enough to notice the debuff, or you're busy healing someone that's close to death, it's completely understandable. For you to laugh and completely ignore the player's request because you found it silly is a complete and utter **** move on your part.
supermegazeke wrote:
Fynlar wrote:
Not too long ago I actually got a WAR in a DF group that had a Berserk macro that announced when it wore off (and therefore, received pacification status) which basically translated to "Esuna me". First and so far only person I've seen that does this, although I'm sure he's not the only one out there. I just chortled to myself and made it a point to myself not to bother healing it. It's five goddamn seconds dude, I think you'll live. Do a Flash or pop some other JAs or something, jeez.
If you weren't casting esuna on him simply because you weren't skilled enough to notice the debuff, or you're busy healing someone that's close to death, it's completely understandable. For you to laugh and completely ignore the player's request because you found it silly is a complete and utter **** move on your part.
I didn't know this, but will definitely make a point to be aware of it :)
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