Coil Turn 2 - Enrage strategy to remainFollow

You mean it's not an intended weakness. But it's still a weakness nonetheless, at least against a party formed specifically for it.

The same thing could be said for kiting. You can kite Caduceus and whittle him down when you're down to his last half and he's super buffed. Should SE give Caduceus a draw in + stun ability, to make sure players only beat him "the right way"?

This is Produce/Director Yoshida.

We have confirmed reports of the changed behaviours of turn 2/5. Sorry for late report.

The dev team was working on 2.2 as well as bugfixes in parallel. The current changes are the unintended consequences of some of the bugfixes applied in 2.16.

We are looking into how we may revert turns 2 and 5 to their previous behaviours, and will apply a hotfix as soon as we can. (fix for XHB input delay will be included in the hotfix).

I will explain in a later post, the changes that caused this behavioural changes.

It is against my principles and beliefs to apply a stealth patch/nerf as so many people are calling it (because it would be discovered immediately anyway and has no merit for uss). There have also been other mistakes like this, including mistakes/missing items in the patchnotes which lead to such a situation, and I apologise for them.

I'm noticing a significant amount of lag on my controller hotbars when switching from one to the next, and a timely delay and rubberbanding effect when doing almost anything primal related. First day after patch is always a nightmare.

We are currently investigating this as a bug.

No changed were made to the R1 button feature, but it’s possible that it was affected in some way from other change. Due to this we will be looking into the implementation history and searching for the change that is causing this.

I understand this is a really severe issue and I will make an announcement with further details as soon as possible.

We’ve determined the cause of this issue and I would like to give you a breakdown of the situation.

The Change Causing this Issue



In order to address the above, we added a process that would disable button input for a set frame right after releasing the L2 and R2 buttons. The L1 and R1 buttons were also included in this, which is creating a delay when switching due to the disable input period.

Method to Fix the Issue
We’ll be reverting the above change back to the 2.15 functionality.
This is the quickly method to address this issue.

Hotfix Schedule
I’ll be confirming with the programmers and the QA team for when the fix can take place.


I apologize for the inconvenience, and once we’ve decided on the Hotfix schedule I will be sure to make an announcement.

Being reverted back! PWNED!!

Most likely will be changed in 2.2! RAFFLEWAFFLED!!

Most likely will be changed in 2.2! RAFFLEWAFFLED!!

"Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida"
Producer and Director Yoshi-P here.

As a follow-up to my previous post, I'd like to take a moment to explain the cause of the abnormal functionality observed in Turns 2 and 5 of the Binding Coil of Bahamut, as well as the manner in which we intended to fix it.

Changes to Turn 2
All boss encounters in FFXIV use what we internally refer to as a monitoring program and gambit algorithms to dictate their behavior.

The monitoring program takes the following factors into account for every encounter:

The number of participating players
The HP and enmity level of all participating players
The HP of the boss enemy
The boss enemy's target
Time elapsed since the beginning of the encounter


By monitoring these factors, bosses are able to transition from one phase to the next, and activate certain abilities such as Titan's Upheaval or the fully charged ADS in Turn 2 of the Binding Coil.

However there was a latent bug (albeit a rarely occurring one) that can potentially cause conditions of the instance to reset based on the monitored player count, causing the boss to disappear and respawn.

This bug fix was implemented under the assumption that it would have no effect on Turn 2 when completed in the manner it was designed. However, the popular strategy used to bypass Allagan Rot involves players attacking the ADS after the program has completed monitoring boss behavior. As a result, attack frequency as determined by player count has changed from its pre-2.16 functionality.

Although the development team has no problem with the strategy used to bypass Allagan Rot, this bug fix inadvertently affected players' ability to employ said strategy.

Because the reason for this bug fix was to address an issue with a very miniscule chance of being triggered, we will revert the monitoring program back to its 2.15 functionality, and have our QA team confirm this revision.

Changes to Turn 5

The changes seen in Turn 5 are the result of changes intended for patch 2.2 being implemented in patch 2.16.

An adjustment to enemy target evaluation was made to prevent bugs in encounters for patch 2.2, but this change was also applied to the 2.16 patch, causing Twintania to exhibit unusual behavior.

Prior to patch 2.16, this encounter was designed so that players targeted by Conflagration could not be targeted, but with this change, Twintania will now switch targets if it is determined that the current target cannot be attacked. Because Conflagration does not target the top two players on the enmity list, an often-used strategy is for the player with aggro to enter the Conflagration, thereby negating Twintania's attacks. However, this change in Twintania's behavior has made this tactic more risky to employ.

Because this change would drastically affect established tactics, as well as the difficulty of Turn 5, we will be reverting these changes alongside the revisions being made to Turn 2. Addressing these issues is currently our top priority, and as soon as we have confirmed that the fixes are functioning properly, we will create a patch and take down all Worlds for an emergency maintenance.

I cannot express how sorry I am for the trouble this oversight by our team has caused. An announcement will be made as soon as we've confirmed the time of emergency maintenance, but in the meantime, I ask for your patience as we work to address these issues in a thorough, timely manner.

Eh whatever. I think it was a bad call by the dev team to make one of the more interesting coil fights into something not so interesting but T4 is still a decent check on communication and picking a strategy that works.

Apparently it's not everyone waiting for this to be changed. If it was everyone, no one would be doing enraged method. And it was everyone, it would be a lot easier to find groups doing Rot method.

If you think everyone hates it or even half hate it.. Your ability to gauge the crowd is lacking. In fact, most of your post seem to be way off base.

Just because people are doing it doesn't mean they don't want it to be changed. You kinda have to use whatever's the best method.

I'll just translate for you. Because this game has 100% linear equipment upgrades, this content and all of its gear are going to become useless anyway. The development team isn't going to bother working on it because it would probably mean redoing all the mechanics... that doesn't mean people don't hate it.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2014 11:25pm by LucasNox

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Just because people are doing it doesn't mean they don't want it to be changed. You kinda have to use whatever's the best method.

I'll just translate for you. Because this game has 100% linear equipment upgrades, this content and all of its gear are going to become useless anyway. The development team isn't going to bother working on it because it would probably mean redoing all the mechanics... that doesn't mean people don't hate it.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2014 11:25pm by LucasNox

Trying so hard to do what? In DF, you are allotted 2 tanks, 2 healers, and 4 DPS. I thought this was common knowledge.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2014 12:24am by HitomeOfBismarck

How many times do we have to say "eh whatever" until enough is enough? We were all waiting for this to be changed.

Lol, idk why I bother. Just.. Nevermind

Trying so hard to do what? In DF, you are allotted 2 tanks, 2 healers, and 4 DPS. I thought this was common knowledge.

You are discussing an entirely different issue: mechanics that arise from out gearing content.

For instance, you previously could take just one tank to do everything in coil. Of course, they patched the strategy that would allow you to do that (with stoneskin and adlo). This alone should probably hint to you what they intend and what they do not intend.

But if it's a legitimate strategy, you shouldn't have to worry. It won't be changed in the future if this is the case.

also the fact that people who feel elite for making it through turn 2 dont want the masses having an easier route to obtain better gear to look as good or as accomplished as themselves.