Coil Turn 2 - Enrage strategy to remainFollow

I think it's more that this simply isn't an exploit, it's just finding an alternative route through the enrage mechanics. Also, it's not like it's an automatic win if you do it this way. You still need good DPS and relatively geared healers to heal through it and not run out of MP before it's over. We attempted this last Friday (was our first attempt at T2) and we couldn't beat it before our melee or healers started dropping. None of us are uber geared, mostly i70-75, and for us it just wasn't really feasible. We'll probably try the legit way next time we go until we are a bit more geared. I'd like to learn the fight with all the mechanics anyways, seems quite fun.

Here's the link to the forum discussion:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/134023-The-problem-with-allowing-Turn-2-Rage-strat?p=1761577#post1761577

I see what you mean BartelX. It's a decision to use the enrage method, and not a guaranteed win.

Party Finder has "Enrage Method" listed for every party I see, so that does limit your options in a way.

On a general note, it IS significant how much the gear matters. A player's experience with the game is vastly different depending on personal gear, gear of friends, availability of FC members and also the time of day you can generally play. As far as T2, some minimum healer/ DPS gear is required for Enrage Method, yes. And a smidge of skill for timing Medica/Medica II to not waste MP needlessly.

On the MP note, Ballad rotation. Much harder to win without two Bards that have some way of communicating Ballad switches. This goes for way more fights than just T2 Enrage.

Just as a personal preference I would rather HAVE to use the designed fight mechanics. In my experience, trying to convince people to do anything a harder way, just for fun, is futile.





Edited, Jan 9th 2014 5:58pm by Gnu

Alternatively, do this 1 tank, 4 dps, 3 healer (2 sch, 1 whm). The sch rotate sacred soil, meaning it's almost 100% uptime, while the fact that you have three healers means one brd is more than enough to get through the fight. Just make sure everyone stacks on top of each other so Cure 3 becomes godlike.

Yeah something like that, my major gripe is that it allows inexperienced players an easy path to T4, where they're frequently out of their depth.

Having said that I've happily participated in T2 enrage groups because PUG's for coil are generally awful, and i'll do what I need to to get through. So in some small way, I have no right to be complaining about it.

Yeah, once they touch coil this will change. They just have no plans now because they're too busy giving us FATE based quests. This strategy, sure works for people but it's so much easier and quicker to just go in and kill it lol.

As it's been said. most who go through this method rarely clear T4 unless they've been clearing it before, otherwise you won't meet the DPS check since this method is very lax on high DPS (but still needed.)

Mine is a very similar selfish reason: I generally play as SMN and in order to get through the T2 enrage method I have had to really begin to focus on gearing up my SCH side to get through it. I'd rather continue to DPS it but since it i already have a healer at max lvl by default it seems reasonable to be asked to switch just for T2... Damn logic...

Zerging Garuda causes her to skip a phase occasionally, however none of Garuda's mechanics are broken. Let me ask you a question:

When Ultima counts down to 0 and he uses Ultima, if it did no damage would you feel that's working as intended? I mean, it's counting down to SOMETHING that should wreck you and notice how you need 3 healers generally for enrage to even work smoothly most of the time? It's broken unlike primals. The only reason, as I said, that they find "nothing wrong" is because their focus isn't on coil until they update it in 2.2, much like how Dark Devices was "working as intended", they changed it..

Maybe it's my experience with SE after 11 years and 3 Major MMOs by them that I can see through their PR talk, just don't be surprised if it's "boosted" or everyone auto dies at 0. So no, it's not an exploit or anything but it's clearly not doing what it's supposed to or why even have the 'click' mechanic?

There *is* a dramatic difference between the two, and you know it.

Don't be purposely obtuse.

In t4 it does a lot of damage, just like 2, but good luck going through t4 with 3+ healers. The thing is, you'll never skip all of Garuda's mechanics, she'll still use every ability she has, in both Hard and Extreme mode because skipping simply makes her go to her next rotation. Same with Titan, you can zerg him down all you want but you'll still run into his every rotation. If we're talking strictly Hard Mode primals, the only 2 things you ever skip with Garuda are certain sets of plumes (purely rock management to keep you alive from Aerial blast, another move that can instant kill you if you mess up/take too long) and sister spawns if you kill her before the first eye phase. Tell me, can you survive Aerial Blast with 3 healers if you take too long on Garuda and all the rocks blow up?

If you didn't notice, "skipping": mechanics of ADS moves him purely to the "it's time to kill you" move which, as said, requires 3+ healers (or 2 damn good ones) to even properly survive it but the fact you can survive it is severely off. Btw, zerging down Ultima also doesn't make him skip phases, it just shortens the phases in he's in, yet taking too long kills you out right (!) so yes, it's a broken mechanic, even in T4 and T5 you won't be surviving 'enrage' which is why you want to kill them before it rages, unlike 2 because when t2 rages, it can be healed through.

If people don't find something wrong with that, more power to you, but maybe it's just me thinking when an enemy counts down to 0, it's never good. I knew Yoshi wanted this game to be casual but so casual to the point bosses can't even kill you? Daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn. /sarcasm

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Edited, Jan 15th 2014 7:26am by Theonehio

No...no you do not. 4 DPS is plenty with the average 2 tanks, 2 healer, and 4 DPS setup. You can also see that they do not want you to skip mechanics as can be seen in Garuda Ex. You must kill the sisters.

It's really not a legitimate strategy. The fight was designed around 2 healers, 2 tanks, and 4 DPS. Yoshi, himself, has stated that all coil fights (and all content in this game) was designed with this framework in mind.

Current coil strategies will be obsolete with new gear..? Yeah OK. I guess you'll just get through turn 1-5, obtain the gear in the new turns, and this will somehow dramatically alter your strategies in turn 1-5.

Give me a break.

Edited, Feb 24th 2014 7:15am by HitomeOfBismarck

Dark Devices was always working as intended. Virus was also working as in intended. Are you new to SE MMOs? Serious question, because whenever SE says 'working as intended' that's actually PR speak for "we don't have a way to address this right now, check the patch notes for "surprises."

Well Ultima is a different fight so it has no bearing on the conversation...Ultima's enrage kills...but neither T2 or T4 enrage does...does that mean every fight in the game without an instant death countdown is broken? I don't believe so.

You also act like enrage doesn't do any damage to parties at all, which is not the case I have 4987 hit points and last night during enrage I dropped under 1500 many times but because our strategy had a third healer we survived what without that third healer surely would be a wipe.

I don't see this as any more of an exploit as everyone in the party changing into high hit point jobs and just running through T3 without killing anything.

You saying that it SHOULD kill us instantly is your opinion...at the moment I disagree and SE agrees with me...it's their game and so far they have stated that they are ok with us doing it this way. If they change it no big deal my FC will go back to passing rot and silencing instead of spamming medica