Gil and 2.1Follow

I'm not sure. By the time I started, they'd raised the crafting cap of a single craft to 100, with all other subcrafts set at level 60. So you could be a jack of all trades and master of exact one.

I think that would help some.. but too many people can level crafts too fast in this game period and that is a big problem.. I mean I know several people that have had all their crafts capped and for a long time now. That would have been impossible in FFXI even in several years for a new player. Experienced player with lots of gil maybe could power level a few. I hated crafting in FFXI though and it is fun in FFXIV but it is way , way too easy.

Crafting supplies are too easy to get to in this game, if people had to take time to actually go out and farm it would take them longer. Everything except end game comes way too easy. Yea this was supposed to be a more casual game but 0-50 was way more than casual..

Also there is no reason to craft to much gear is available in dungeons or quests...
Very few use potions or food and they should be using them. Food comes from quests and so do potions.
Most people can make what they want for themselves.


SE has a serious issue on their hands now and it is going to be a hard fix. I worry about the long term survivability of this game now.

What bothers me is SE seemed to listen and correct based on feedback but all of a sudden they seem to be providing excuses.

Edited, Jan 6th 2014 10:12am by Nashred

I am not worried about the long term... This is fixable, and it isn't rocket science.

The rest of the game doesn't really emphasize Gil too much, so most of the content is still accessible.

You don't need any of that Jeskradha. To be honest, I didn't really even need to farm my own mats. You net more than 10k gold just from quest rewards. That's enough by itself to fund two crafts. The only reason I took the extra time to farm mats and switch professions was because I wanted to spend some of that gold on better gear to run heroics right away.

You said before that people who level new classes will pick different professions, but that wasn't the case for most people. Again, because you know you can make money with any craft, you don't feel forced into trying to spread it around if you level more classes. You're always free to take what you think will benefit you more for other events because the money making potential is always there.

Thayos I'd be very interested to see how they will handle a level cap raise from the perspective of crafting and gathering. The storylines for those pretty much wrapped up at 50.

Maybe they could release advanced "jobs" for crafters!

Splitting the crafts isn't a good idea. I get the intent, but this assumes a good faith that SE would distribute in-demand goods across the branches equally. To use cooking in XI as a comparison, Sushi was a good choice for cooks because the food you could make with the KI was good. Patisserie and the resulting cakes? A joke, really.

As a vague outlook into crafting's future, we know airships have been mentioned. I recall another mode of PvP being in the works, perhaps more cross-server defined, where I suspect things like fortifications, siege weaponry, and other such things could be produced. Though, like housing, these will inevitably need something more than vanity to draw people in, but at the same time, you can't make the activities mandatory as it risks a power vacuum between casuals and hardcores alike. And in the event they do come up with some kind of server vs. server system, being stuck on a world that "sucks" won't do much to help motivation, either.

Now that I think about it, however, crafters can acquire a personal distinction through personal housing and the establishment of "workshops" rooted in the construction of specialized furniture. Making these should obviously be resource intensive, have some kind of resource upkeep cost with use, and later on be upgradeable with more synths added. So, a BSM and ARM would likely want a Forge. Coal, wood, fire crystals, water crystals, and wind crystals stand out as immediate "upkeep" options. Wood is a bit vague, so I could see all being accepted here, but offering different fueling strengths based on type. This is just an example, though, and obviously furniture for all crafts would be needed. You'd also need to lock crafting these specified items to within the range of the furnishing.

"Why not tie it to the FC?!" Well, for starters, not everyone will be in an FC or want to be. As well, the trust of others is always something to be weary about. It's best to avoid situations where one's work is taken advantage of and they're later kicked once they're no longer useful or have a silly disagreement. As well, I feel the economic impact would be greater if it's per individual instead of per group. If it were to be per group, then upkeep would need to be significantly higher. How high, however, would be highly debatable.

"Well, everyone would just have them eventually! So what?!" The upkeep resources are part of the process to both keep the economy oiled up a bit, but also to determine who can and can't produce something despite having the item(s). On a grander scale, I'm not a fan of synths with cooldowns like I've seen some MMOs use, but I could perhaps see permitting only a limited amount per day, otherwise you risk breaking your furnishing irreparably. So, this also means making them should be costly enough that conservative upkeep would be the wiser option with a potential consideration for installation time within your house.

Probably pointless brainstorming from me, though. :/

I think this is a brilliant way to handle it when they increase level caps. I sincerely hope this is how it works, as it will give you something to specialize in based on what you like/need from crafting. Heck, even if one branch was more for battle classes, and the other was more for vanity/housing/etc it could still work, as there will ALWAYS be a market for vanity items, especially if they make them really unique like some cool designs you can apply to gear or mounts.

A brand new player wouldn't do that because you hit the wall immediately. Low level quests don't grant enough money for it to be viable. The only way that this is possible is if the player takes the supporting craft (mining along with either BS or JC) and gathers their own materials. Still, it's not as viable as just waiting until you hit the level cap anyway.

A new player will look at the recipes and see two things immediately...

1) They can't make anything that isn't already rewarded through questing at lower levels, and
2) All of the perks don't come until you're well on your way to the cap.

You have to remember that if you want to move to the next skill tier for professions in WoW, you have to have the class levels to match. You can't just powerlevel your professions on a level 1 warrior like you can in XI/XIV. Gathering bonuses scale upward as you level and the act of gathering itself provides experience points. You're not giving anything up by not killing that kobold so you can mine a node. Any new player who took a few minutes to compare what professions have to offer would probably come to the conclusion that gathering while you level and then dropping that gathering profession later if they want something else; that's always their better option.

Its funny that you mention that because earlier this afternoon I was thinking of a leveling guide mine friend used during BC/Wotlk and the guides suggestion was to take mining/skinning, sell whatever you mine/skin, and then pick your actual professions at a later date, like around level 30 or 40.

At this point I sort of feel like we are just agreeing with each other, although, initially I said professions in WoW were kind of worthless, and I still really think that they are. In terms of that fact that anything you get raiding is going to be better then anything you can craft (besides a few minor exceptions, like the Shadow Weave set from BC, which blizz admitted was an error on their part) which is what I hear a lot of people complain about in ARR, Yeah professions can generate some gold, but in that regard, professions in ARR can generate some gill.

I just remember during the brief time I played Mists, I maxed out my BS/Taloring/Alchemey/Enchanting, and the only one that was really worth a sh*t, at least IMO, was the Enchanting. Yeah there was some crap I could craft and sell on the AH, but like I said, it just really wasn't worth the effort to me when I could spend that time doing something else, like daily quests.



Edited, Jan 7th 2014 12:03am by Jeskradha

My 300k I had before 2.1 is now equivalent to about 3 million.

There is just so much undercutting going on now. It's the endless loop.

People fear the market is going to crash -> They list items for far FAR less gil, undercutting by half to get rid of their stuff as fast as possible -> People see the new price -> People fear the market is going to crash -> They list items for far FAR less gil -> repeat

Just yesterday before going to bed i listed 3 stacks of botanist items for 99 gil while the lowest going price was 100 gil. And 3 stacks of botanist items for 67 gil when the going price was 68 gil. I come back the next day, expecting to have made 48k from selling it all, and the price of the item i listed for 99 fell to 14, and the price of the one i listed for 67 fell to 20. It's just rediculous.

People who say the economy isnt ruined yet havent opened their eyes.

When stuff is selling for less on the auction house than you can npc it for just shows how worthless gill is...
That is another point what do I even need 3 million gill for other than the FC house? Some of the food I buy, potions, teleporting? I certainly dont need 3 million for that.. Before the housing thing I didnt need money.

Edited, Jan 8th 2014 9:24am by Nashred