so a funny thing happened to me while in AK today.Follow

I had a tank complain that my DPs was barely breaking 119 (which it probably was or wasnt) which was low especially for someone who had relic according to him... now heres the funny part.. I made a comment earlier on before that was brought up that my gampad had died thus everyone knew i was using a gamepad... so after the tank made his comment about my dps he says its because i m using a gamepad and should switch to mouse and keyboard then my dps will increase... lol.... soooo clicking icons dramatically increases my dps as opposed to just pushing buttons? yeah that logic sounds perfect. Anyone agree?

^ this

The reason KB/M gives you an advantage is because you have more buttons. Keybinding your abilities to these buttons is what makes it more efficient. If you only have 10 abilities to use then it's arguable whether or not KB/M will help you. For all encounters when you're using more abilities than that, KB/M is a better choice. Mouse allows you to move, turn and control the camera with one hand. Controller requires two(unless you have the somewhat wonky auto-follow camera enabled). I have 30+ keys in comfortable reach under the other hand on my keyboard. Controllers have 8 that are used commonly, but you could map to the select/start I guess. Even so, it's still far less than you have at your disposal with a keyboard. Couple that with the fact that you have to put down your controller and pick it back up after you type.

Before this spirals off course... it's a matter of preference whether you use a controller or not. It's completely reasonable that you're pulling your weight in an instance while using a controller. It's just easier to execute certain things that might be required with KB/M.

I use a controller fine... For BLM and my DRG ppl with controllers can be just as fast if they are good with controllers... I'm terrible with key board and mouse. Your given choices to make what ever experience there is more comfortable to the player. For some of us controller is just more comfortable

OP I don't like when ppl tell ppl that my DD parse or w/e is or isn't good enough for them.... Did you kill the mob? Did you make a good effort and help killing so mob ? Did you win the Dungeon? If yes then what does all that other stuff matter ?

This sums up my experience fairly well. While the controller does have a limit on the number of buttons immediately available at any one time, I rarely have a need to access every ability in a split second. Add to that, that most big fights are in some way scripted, and it becomes much easier to anticipate having to use one of those not so easy to get to abilities or even alter your XHotbar accordingly.

Tough to say on the parser. Could be your layout or rotation, or it could be the parser. A lot of those things, to my knowledge, get weird sometimes.

im 100% sure its my layout/rotation that sucks and not the fact im using a gamepad which is the part i find funny its even more apparent now that im wearing relic +1 and full dl the oh so "uber" gear everyone "needs" before they can do anything yet even with it i dont feel any stronget/my damage numbers arent noticeably bigger than when i was a fresh 50 in artifact with gc weapon i mean AK is a lvl 50 dungeon that drops il60 stuff yet i can do it in 45mins with a group of ungeared 50s then i should do it MUCH faster with a group of relic +1 and full dl with or witout some il90 gear right?


well with a group like that it takes about 40 mins. 35 being the fastest ive seen. so either gear doesnt make a huge difference like everyone makes it sound (when they wan geared only for xxxx event) or the groups im doing it with aredoing somthing horribly wrong?

sooo anyone gonna comment on my last post? as for my bad rotation it goes as follows: keep fists of fire up at all times and internal release whenever its ready. stand behind mob. bootshine > true strike > touch of death > demolish > move to side of mob > dragon kivk > tein snakes > move back behind mob then repeat from beginning

i throw in an iternal release stacked howling fist every now and then when there a big pull to hit multiple mobs in the crowd.



so anyone with tips on how to improve that, please feel free to share them

MMO gaming mouse.

I hope you don't click your icons. As a DPS, you can easily get away with a gamepad over something like a keyboard. My BLM probably takes 2 rows of hotkeys and my BRD even fewer.

However, GL playing other jobs that require a ton of keys:



because this is pretty much what it boils down to. In 11, WoW, etc, I never had to even think about purchasing a MMO mouse because I could just barely fit all my abilities in given the bindings available to me. SCH is the first job where I ran out of keys and broke down to buy one.

http://i.imgur.com/VUUqna6.png

The upper row indicates keys that are bound to the numpad. These numpad buttons are used by the mouse (it has 12 total buttons on the side) to execute actions. Even some of the keybinds I have are very awkward reaches for me (like surecast is ctrl + Q).

Considering this game actually places heavy emphasis on using almost all the abilities you learn from level 1 to max level for pretty much every job, you're going to need a lot of keys depending on the job. A gamepad will not be sufficient for something like SCH. I imagine if they ever implement macros for fairy abilities and allow us to actually use commands correctly when it comes to pets, the number of keys SCHs use will decrease dramatically. Until then...

You would always see these types of discussions in games like Left 4 Dead or any game where you had access to a controller or a keyboard/mouse. I highly recommend going to look at some of the research people have done regarding this great debate.

Edited, Dec 9th 2013 12:04am by HitomeOfBismarck

Well i gotta stay its all preference.

As a tank, i regularlly prest 123 123 123 123 (agro combo)
Sometimes i press 145 flash combo for ae wp sr groups

You need a grand total of 3 buttons, then i just click w/e defensive cool down i need.

Clicking doesnt really matter, its all preference just like game pad vs kb/m. If you practice it enough you will be just as good.

And for anyone who dislikes game pads... go try DoL with one, this game was built for DoL to use a game pad. X x x x x x x x x x x (target node, harvest same item 430430450245 times, rinse repeat). I actually bought a game pad because i wanted to give it a try, the only thing i use it for though is DoL now, but that is my preference.

Tank requires a load of icons (2 rows on my controller).
My Black Mage has a normal set of icons (with LB, manawall, and sleep added) and a BC set of icons (with those listed replaced by Virus, Thunder II, and a specialty macro to let others know when I pass rot). I doubt that I would need more than one row for my blm to be more effective.

But I feel like my camera control is much better on a controller because I have been playing console games over PC games all my life. Play what you are used to, bottom line.

I'll tell you how I manage on a controller.

High priority or frequently used skills are bound to the gamepad's main button schematics. This forces me to prioritize an initial sixteen above all others. This will expand to 24 once we get the combination button presses, in the meanwhile, my L1 (default R 1, but i inverted it.) button switches to a secondary primary set. It's a quick swap, but the changes to the way the controls work in 2.1 will be faster.

For situations in which I require more keys than this, the lower priority scale is on a normal hotbar tied to keyboard keys. My keyboard is normally situated close, and the keys I uses are typically bound without need of Ctrl, Alt or any combination, it's as simple as tapping my finger on the keyboard, I do not even need to let go of the controller, depending how I am sitting.

The result for me is a control scheme that is versatile and smooth without sacrificing my wrists on the keyboard and mouse configuration.

The only difficulty I have is maneuvering pets as an Arcanist class due to the way the controls work with a Gamepad in moving them. Everything else is fine for me.

Can you please put your Dragoon macros here so I can make some too? That sounds so much easier, I'm on a PS3.

Thanks!

Edited, Dec 10th 2013 4:19pm by Hairspray

Just want to point out:
Only Monk can use a spam macro with a 3 move combo in it, because the stance restrictions prevent the first move from activating with every press of the macro. It doesn't work like this for Bard or Dragoon.