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I started leveling Carpenter at launch and didn't have a very good time with it. After lvl 15 or so I was making very slow progress and not HQ'ing anything. I gave it up for a while to work on DRG and figured I might not come back to it until a few patches later. Then I decided this past weekend to get all crafts up to at least lvl 15 for their cross-class abilities, even taking Culinarian to lvl 37 for Steady Hands 2.

My god, it's made a huge difference. After getting to lvl 35 on Carpenter and equipping Steady Hands 2, Manipulation, Tricks of the Trade, Waste Not and Careful Synthesis, I HQ leve'd my way to 50 in no time. Now I am working on Leatherworker and should have it to 50 by the end of the week. Much improve. Such success. Wow.

My question for the crafters on the forum is:

What rotation do you use for 40-durability items and 70/80-durability items?

Personally, I was using a combo that got HQ's, but was a little hit or miss and more complicated than it needed to be. I would Inner Quiet >> Steady Hands 2 >> Waste Not >> progress until only a Careful Synthesis was needed >> Hasty Touch >> Manipulation >> Steady Hands 2 >> Hasty Touches >> repeat until 34% >> Great Strides >> Standard Touch >> Careful Synthesis >> HQ. I would use Tricks of the Trade when good conditions popped and Basic Touch when excellent condition popped. The problem I ran into was running out of CP when I got a lot of Hasty Touch misses, since Manipulation is 88 CP. What I have done now is replace Manipulation with Waste Not and have added Byrgott's Blessing to the mix. Once I get 6 successful Hasty Tuches, I pop that and am at 100%.

Do you guys do anything different? I'm always looking for ways to min/max or simplify things. I have some friends who don't think Byrgott's is that useful, so what are your thoughts on that as well?

I'll try to post a longer response when I have more time, but I had to chime in that Byregot's Blessing is so good that it's borderline broken.

So,

I'm going to kind of start at the end and work my way backward.

Byregot's is useful. Incredibly so. 800+ quality on normal, 1200+ on good, and I don't know what on excellent when used with Great Strides. 5 touches will make BB proc at 400% quality (100 base, + 5 touches at 20% each = 200, x2 from GS). Once I get Innovation in 5 more GSM levels, it's on lol.

For Leatherworking, you're going to be turning in a lot of skins, so the 40 dura rotation is definitely key. I levelled up everything at almost exactly the same time, so I've always had access to all the cross class skills. For 40 dura synths, here's what I do.

Comfort Zone (50 ALC)
Inner Quiet
SH II
Manipulation
Basic Touch x4
SH II
Basic Touch
Great Strides
Byregot's Blessing
Careful Synthesis II

If I'm feeling froggy, I whip up a HQ Fish Soup, and 2 of those basics can be Standar Touches. This will pop me to 85-100% every time on all NQ mats.

Now, since you don't have Comfort Zone or CS II...

IQ
SH II
WN
HT x4 ( You can use TotT to swap in basic touches here if they proc at the right time)
SH II
Basic or Standard Touch. (again depending on TotT)
Great Strides
Byregot's Blessing
15 CP Synth Move (can't remember the name)

Now... If that's not getting you results you can live with, you can do the all hasty all the time moves. I stopped doing it like this when I got BB just because it's so hit or miss. I did use it a lot up to that point. You will wind up making more because of Hasty Touch.

IQ
SH II
WN
Hasty X4
SH II
WN
Hasty X4
Manipulation
Rumination (You may need to reverse the order of this and Manipulation depending on CP starvation)
SH II
Basic/Standary (depending on TotT procs)
Careful Synth x2

Try all 3 methods, and try control food and CP food to see what you like best.

Happy crafting :)

Alright, so it looks like I'm on the right track then Good to know. LebargeX, I will try those sometime in the next couple days, thanks for the tips. As for Byrgott's, I'm lovin it like McDonald's. It actually saves me CP most of the time.

What materia does everyone use for crafting? I have a 50gsm with all hq gear. Can't decide which stats to put materia into.

Yay! I learned a thing or two thanks to you guys. I haven't been using waste not very much but now see its benefit. :3

With enough 50s and decently melded HQ gear at 50, anything non-star can pretty much be HQed with the following:

Comfort Zone > Inner Quiet > Waste Not II > Steady Hands II > Basic Touch x 5 > Steady Hands II > Great Strides > Innovation > Byregot's Blessing > Careful Synthesis II the rest.

If the synth is low enough, sometimes you'll just HQ in the BT phase, others the Innovation isn't even needed. It's when you get into the harder stuff that you start using Hasty Touch instead and trying to ride out Tricks procs for more CP. Though, to be fair, even leveling crafts need to be in the 30s before you can really start making the most of the above with some adaptations, like using 2 HTs since your max CP isn't high enough, not having Inno because you lack cross-class slots, etc.. It's not foolproof then, but it's pretty much guaranteed you'll get past the 12-18% barrier non-cross-clased crafters face on challenging synths.

How to HQ pretty much anything, without using the unpredictable Hasty Touch.

The 100% HQ, 0 RNG 2 Star Rotation:-
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1p8t6q/the_100_hq_0_rng_2_star_rotation/

Alternative for those who want to see some alternative/more detailed tables; but uses a lot Hasty Touch, okay for those who don't have 50's for above method, or are struggling to meld to reach the 100% guide.

The Journey to HQing Anything. (guide):-
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/1no9mn/the_journey_to_hqing_anything_guide/

Yeah, swapping Ingenuity I for II during the quality phase would work just fine, and I'm glad I tested it just now since now I know that too. When I'm making militia gear later for a materia run I'll see if Ingenuity II is still needed for the durability/progress phase as well, or if Ingenuity I will let it inch by the progress requirement in the same amount of turns.

I should add, my method of doing it may not be the "100% HQ all day erry day" sort of stuff like some of the Reddit-linked rotations are, but it's meant to be more focused on those who are on a budget. Not everyone has the disposable income to throw at materia, much less for several different crafting classes since cross-gear wearing stops being a thing at the craft end-game (accessories excluded).

Edited, Nov 20th 2013 8:21am by Satisiun

I've actually found out recently that whether you're using Manipulation or Waste Not, it's best to always use ToT when it pops.

- If you're using Manipulation it will just add another 10 durability to the synth, so you didn't lose anything by taking the extra 20 CP.

- If you're using Waste Not, you only lose 5 durability and at the end when you're still left with 5, (which is just as good as 10, it gets you one more move), so again you didn't really lose anything.

I know I was the one who advocated this save tricks only for the times in-between, but I have been pretty active in crafting threads over on Reddit and have picked up a few things since I posted that advice here a few weeks ago.

The extra CP is actually more valuable to you than 1 tick of Manipulation or Waste Not, even when combined with SH2.

I think they were talking about the job specific crafting gear not being sharable. This Patrician's thing is kinda new still :)

My plan is to SB Patrician's and jewelry over and over to build up a store of T3 materia and use that materia for melding class-spec stuff. Why? Because I think that the new crafting items for PvP, housing, and beyond may require more than what Patrician's can give.

And cuz of fancy fancy dress up time :P

That tone was completely unnecessary. We need less of that around here.

That's exactly why I come to Zam every day, If I wanted that tone I would just go to he main forums.