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Regarding Actions Towards In Game RMT and Cheats (Oct. 31) Follow

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#1 Oct 31 2013 at 5:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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RMT and cheating will cause disruption to the overall game balance, and is listed under the illegal actions on the terms and agreement.
For players that have done these illegal actions, we have implemented the countermeasures listed below.

Time Period: Oct. 1, 2013 to Oct. 30 2013
-Amount of Cases Advertising RMT Sites: 3694 Accounts
-Amount of Cases Related to Cheats: 4266 Accounts
-Countermeasure Details: Eternal Ban from FINAL FANTASY XIV

In the countermeasures taken above, are including players who produced gils and items through cheats. We are being very cautious when developing the game so cheats will not happen, but if an issue like this occurs, we please ask to not take advantage of it, and instead go through the in-game “Main Menu” -> “Support Desk” -> “Contact Us” -> “Report Cheating” to let us know.

If we continue to see RMT and cheats happening, we will be taking serious actions towards it, so please take extreme caution and not affiliate with any illegal actions that are against the terms and agreement.
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#2 Oct 31 2013 at 7:11 AM Rating: Good
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Eternal Ban from FINAL FANTASY XIV


That sounds, epic. I hope they can keep up.
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#3 Oct 31 2013 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
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Eternal SE bans.. they last in the afterlife!
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#4 Oct 31 2013 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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I think the important takeaway here is, if you see the RMT farmers doing something and you piggy back off their successes or manipulate the markets on whatever they're selling ect, that you may be considered an accessory and banned as well. At least thats how I read it when I see them say "Be very careful" and how to report anything suspicious right away.

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If we continue to see RMT and cheats happening, we will be taking serious actions towards it, so please take extreme caution and not affiliate with any illegal actions that are against the terms and agreement.


Edited, Oct 31st 2013 10:02am by FenrirXIII
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#5 Oct 31 2013 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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Eternal SE bans.. they last in the afterlife!


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#6 Oct 31 2013 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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We saw some of the effects when legitimate crafters sold their goods for high prices, ended up getting too much money from the sales, and had their gil reduced by 90% as a result.

The crafters didn't do anything wrong... aside from listing their items for way more gil than should have been theoretically available in a new server's economy. Gil buyers purchased the items. The gil sellers and the gil buyers set up the conditions for the legitimate crafters to be affected.

Now that we have some market history up on the boards it's less likely that someone will ask for item amounts that are much more than the market can bear, but if you're the first one listing any given item, think hard about how much gil a legit high end player is going to have on hand and price accordingly.
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Szabo wrote:
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/5a77e71b33a9d8f5a2217b89dcedf4f3b8f5acbf

-Amount of Cases Advertising RMT Sites: 3694 Accounts
-Amount of Cases Related to Cheats: 4266 Accounts
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At roughly 29 dollars a copy:
Thats 200k SE made from gil buyers/sellers who had to buy the game just to be banned in a month. The conspiracy theorist in me says this is why SE is taking so long to add /right click blist, spam filters, shout limitations etc. If you are making 200k a month off these very people, let them go for 3-4 (launch till 2.1) months then add counter measures so you have effectively made 6-800k, and recuperated a decent portion of your initial investment.
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#8 Oct 31 2013 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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except the majority of rmt dont buy accounts, they use stolen ones with stolen credit cards
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dustinfoley wrote:
Szabo wrote:
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/5a77e71b33a9d8f5a2217b89dcedf4f3b8f5acbf

-Amount of Cases Advertising RMT Sites: 3694 Accounts
-Amount of Cases Related to Cheats: 4266 Accounts


At roughly 29 dollars a copy:
Thats 200k SE made from gil buyers/sellers who had to buy the game just to be banned in a month. The conspiracy theorist in me says this is why SE is taking so long to add /right click blist, spam filters, shout limitations etc. If you are making 200k a month off these very people, let them go for 3-4 (launch till 2.1) months then add counter measures so you have effectively made 6-800k, and recuperated a decent portion of your initial investment.


I don't believe those RMT advertisers were from accounts owned legitimately by RMT, nor would credit card fraud even be required. I believe they are mostly from suckers who paid to have their account power leveled, or accounts that were compromised by people who belonged to now defunct FFXIV fan sites who sold their account lists to RMT (plenty of people use their same account and password everywhere on the internet). There are a lot of bot programs and other "free" software for FFXIV users out there too, any of which could be keylogging its victim's username and password. There may even be some old Buddy Pass codes they've collected over the years they're still burning through. Basically, there are still plenty of ways they are playing for free.

Edited, Oct 31st 2013 2:22pm by Xoie
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Xoie wrote:
dustinfoley wrote:
Szabo wrote:
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/5a77e71b33a9d8f5a2217b89dcedf4f3b8f5acbf

-Amount of Cases Advertising RMT Sites: 3694 Accounts
-Amount of Cases Related to Cheats: 4266 Accounts


At roughly 29 dollars a copy:
Thats 200k SE made from gil buyers/sellers who had to buy the game just to be banned in a month. The conspiracy theorist in me says this is why SE is taking so long to add /right click blist, spam filters, shout limitations etc. If you are making 200k a month off these very people, let them go for 3-4 (launch till 2.1) months then add counter measures so you have effectively made 6-800k, and recuperated a decent portion of your initial investment.


I don't believe those RMT advertisers were from accounts owned legitimately by RMT, nor would credit card fraud even be required. I believe they are mostly from suckers who paid to have their account power leveled, or accounts that were compromised by people who belonged to now defunct FFXIV fan sites who sold their account lists to RMT (plenty of people use their same account and password everywhere on the internet). There are a lot of bot programs and other "free" software for FFXIV users out there too, any of which could be keylogging its victim's username and password. There may even be some old Buddy Pass codes they've collected over the years they're still burning through. Basically, there are still plenty of ways they are playing for free.

Edited, Oct 31st 2013 2:22pm by Xoie

A very good point; I also heard that most of those who got "hacked" are former customers of RMT traders, who were
tricked into installing some "transaction security features", provide their account data, or directly bought a high-level
character from a RMT site... only to find that same character miraculously stripped of all its belongings a few days later.
Sucks to be a sucker, I say.
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#11REDACTED, Posted: Nov 01 2013 at 1:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) [#f63][i]Players do the same thing as well. Brazilian players steal credit cards and accounts to play the game. When it comes to RMT, lots of the RMT on games are not RMT. They are Korean or from other countries running frauds on players. Real RMT do not bother players are do shouts or tells what so ever. IGE is the only real RMT group for all games and they pay into the games. SE actually started and owned IGE in late 90’s.
#12REDACTED, Posted: Nov 01 2013 at 1:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Many players give friends access to their accounts. That is also how accounts are taken and items stolen from accounts. In Final Fantasy 11, the players themselves mostly compromised accounts.
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#13 Nov 01 2013 at 6:21 AM Rating: Good
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[quote=Queen EmmanuellaLima]A bunch of conspiracy theory *****************

I'm going to ask you once more to please stop posting in red font in italics. It's painful to read your threads.
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#14 Nov 01 2013 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Queen EmmanuellaLima wrote:
Gopi wrote:
except the majority of rmt dont buy accounts, they use stolen ones with stolen credit cards


Players do the same thing as well. Brazilian players steal credit cards and accounts to play the game. When it comes to RMT, lots of the RMT on games are not RMT. They are Korean or from other countries running frauds on players. Real RMT do not bother players are do shouts or tells what so ever. IGE is the only real RMT group for all games and they pay into the games. SE actually started and owned IGE in late 90’s.

It still maybe owned by them now. They are still farming and paying into the games. Inflation in any MMORPG is from American and other players taking advantage of goods that heavily wanted. They jack up the prices two or three times more than it is worth. This games Economy seems under control. Items are not selling 100 times more than their worth.

Edited, Nov 1st 2013 3:34am by EmmanuellaLima


Citation needed

EDIT: Made it readable to people using the Light stylesheet

Edited, Nov 1st 2013 8:21am by Callinon
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A very clever move to ban all the RMT accounts.
Economically speaking.

As the RMTcompanies will buy new accounts to keep doing it.

I hope SE keeps banning, nothing is as annoying as seeing the chat made useless by the RMT spam..
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#16 Nov 01 2013 at 7:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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Soyama wrote:
As the RMTcompanies will buy steal new accounts to keep doing it.


Fixed that for you.

I definitely agree that RMT accounts should be banned, but let's not kid ourselves. The majority of accounts used for this type of thing do not represent a retail sale of the game.. they represent some poor guy getting his account stolen and then used for evil.
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Archmage Callinon wrote:
Soyama wrote:
As the RMTcompanies will buy steal new accounts to keep doing it.


Fixed that for you.

I definitely agree that RMT accounts should be banned, but let's not kid ourselves. The majority of accounts used for this type of thing do not represent a retail sale of the game.. they represent some poor guy getting his account stolen and then used for evil.


Ah yes, probably correct there.

Also I notice this has been discussed already.
Anyhow! I applaud the numbers banned!


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I dont think the majority of them are from hacked accounts.. Most of the user names are rkiortgjeriojgiooe or something like that....

Anyway a perm ban is worthless they just set up new accounts... I do hope they find a way to stop them..

What I dont get is why they have to spam every couple of seconds.. They just anger people doing that...

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I dont think the majority of them are from hacked accounts.. Most of the user names are rkiortgjeriojgiooe or something like that....


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Hacking into an account when you have few details is, though.

When one of these players goes to buy gil, are they giving them their account info? I don't see why you would need to give them anything related to your account. Maybe your in-game name. So how exactly are they hacking into these accounts?

This is a better guess:

Xoie wrote:
I don't believe those RMT advertisers were from accounts owned legitimately by RMT, nor would credit card fraud even be required. I believe they are mostly from suckers who paid to have their account power leveled, or accounts that were compromised by people who belonged to now defunct FFXIV fan sites who sold their account lists to RMT (plenty of people use their same account and password everywhere on the internet). There are a lot of bot programs and other "free" software for FFXIV users out there too, any of which could be keylogging its victim's username and password. There may even be some old Buddy Pass codes they've collected over the years they're still burning through. Basically, there are still plenty of ways they are playing for free.
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Hacking into an account when you have few details is, though.

When one of these players goes to buy gil, are they giving them their account info? I don't see why you would need to give them anything related to your account. Maybe your in-game name. So how exactly are they hacking into these accounts?


Keyloggers. Hide them in the website...hide it in a confirmation e-mail...whereever. Bonus points if you're a site that requires login credentials. People tend to use one e-mail for everything. Bam, there's your SE account ID right there. It's kind of freaky how easily they can ***** you. Hell, you don't even have to SHOP on their site. I haven't read it happening in FFXIV yet, but who here remembers FFXI Atlas? Sites related to the game get hacked just to plop a keylogger into your system.

Rule of the thumb; always make sure you're running a clean system. Always.
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HitomeOfBismarck wrote:
Hacking into an account when you have few details is, though.

When one of these players goes to buy gil, are they giving them their account info? I don't see why you would need to give them anything related to your account. Maybe your in-game name. So how exactly are they hacking into these accounts?

This is a better guess:

Xoie wrote:
I don't believe those RMT advertisers were from accounts owned legitimately by RMT, nor would credit card fraud even be required. I believe they are mostly from suckers who paid to have their account power leveled, or accounts that were compromised by people who belonged to now defunct FFXIV fan sites who sold their account lists to RMT (plenty of people use their same account and password everywhere on the internet). There are a lot of bot programs and other "free" software for FFXIV users out there too, any of which could be keylogging its victim's username and password. There may even be some old Buddy Pass codes they've collected over the years they're still burning through. Basically, there are still plenty of ways they are playing for free.

Powerleveling services. Just yesterday I had a shout spammer offer powerleveling a character through all the content,
and I guess at some point he will ask for "temporary access" to the account for "efficiency reasons".

Yes, some people are that stupid.
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#23 Nov 07 2013 at 3:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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More bans!

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/a1d8f28b8f8ddfc859f379f6efcd3e475d0adcc7
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Regarding Actions Taken Against In-Game RMT and Other Illicit Activities (Nov. 6)

RMT and other illicit activities upset the balance of the game and, as such, are prohibited under the Terms of Service.

Because we have confirmed the existence of players who are engaging in these illicit activities, we have taken the actions listed below.

Time Period: Oct. 31, 2013 to Nov. 6 2013
Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT advertising: 810
Accounts receiving disciplinary action for illicit activity: 689
Action Details: Permanent ban from FINAL FANTASY XIV

Time Period: Oct. 31, 2013 to Nov. 6 2013
Accounts receiving disciplinary action for RMT activity: 753
Action Details: Permanent or temporary ban from FINAL FANTASY XIV
*Players with negative intentions will be banned permanently.

Included in the above are players who used/obtained gil, items, or actions through fraudulent means. Although we are taking the utmost care and attention to prevent such actions, players who discover any confirmed cheats should, under no circumstances, exploit or disseminate such information. Instead, we ask that players file a report by using the in-game command [System Menu] -> [Support Desk] -> [Contact Us] -> [Report Cheating].

We will continue to take stringent disciplinary action against any accounts with confirmed involvement in RMT/illicit activity; players should take care to steer clear of any activity that violates the Terms of Service.
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Most of the accounts that PST me are either jibberish names or Goldceo Somebody. It seemed like more hacked accounts earlier on, but you can tell these characters all look the same, and they all look creepy when they shout.
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