it's all simple mechanics. shouldn't be this hard.Follow

If someone thinks its a waste of time to play in a group with random strangers whom do not have to read spoilers about the game before they attempt to play the game, then, if they choose to queue up to play in a group with random strangers whom do not have to read spoilers about the game before the attempt to play the game, it becomes their OWN fault their time is wasted, does it not?

Edited, Oct 30th 2013 4:16am by Gopi

The thing I like most about this thread is, if you go back to the 1.0 time-frame when SE was talking about adding in quest markers, positions, and other aspects to make it so people could play the game through the game, many people (and I mean ALOT) got upset saying that it was taking away from sites that offered tutorials, and that it was hand holding...

But, now a year later, we are at the point where there is currently a push for people to know what they are doing before they do it.

I am simply pointing out the irony to the situation. I personally, try to learn new things before any tutorials are up if I can, otherwise, if necessary (Titan...) I try to study them before I go in.

I do find it to be much more fun to go in and learn something for what it is, but I get the fact that I am playing with other people, and they don't have the time or patience for me to truly learn on my own time.

Regardless of whether you read the strategy or even find out the basic mechanics of the fights, this is all stuff that is simple enough that you shouldn't have trouble figuring out what you need to do after seeing it once. If someone comes to a group, random or not, it's their fault if they're causing wipes because they don't know what they're doing.


I agree, but I think there are a few other people in this thread that are getting the wrong idea. I'm all for learning on the fly. I'd be lying if I said that I read up on every instance before I entered every time. The difference is, I'm able to make the adjustments to avoid dying to the same thing over and over. We're talking about the people who don't understand that fire is hot after sticking their hand in it for the 3rd time... 4th time... ect.

What I can't understand is why people are sticking up for that. I just don't get it.

Actually reading the information or watching a vid is the threshold. As the OP said, some of these encounters become easier to the point of almost being trivial once you understand them.

If I gave someone some wood and nails, they might be able to figure out how to put a simple desk together without even bothering with the manual. That's us. The people who aren't born carpenters who are able to figure it out by simply looking at it for a little while. You bang your thumb with the hammer and catch a few splinters along the way, but every time you make an attempt you get exponentially closer to the finished product and you succeed.

There are however, those who wouldn't get anywhere if you left them alone with the materials for a while. That's who we're beefing with. They know what the pieces are, but they can't put it together on their own. Give them an instruction manual(info or guides in our case) and they turn into Bob f'kin Vila. There are several different ways people learn. Some people learn by listening to an explanation, better than they do by actually making attempts.

Pick any of the half dozen or so ways that people learn and apply what works for you. I'm not condemning people for not being a quick study if the trial and error doesn't work. Just suggesting that they find a method that does work and reduces the amount of time they waste; both their time and that of their group.

Edited, Oct 30th 2013 6:10pm by FilthMcNasty

Hate to say it myself but this is why I jumped right back onto my Japanese server, there's always mutual respect even though there's a language barrier. I prefer to put up with a bit of latency than deal with the shreaking I encountered on the US server I transferred to.

you are trying to blame other players in the DF for wasting your time - i showed that no one but yourself is wasting your time in the DF

not being able to clear content has nothing to do with what i said at all

This.

I applaud everyone that wishes to use any variety of party kick option honorably but the reality is we'll just be giving elitists and asshats one more venue to isolate honest players from advancing. Right now I have two pieces of DL gear. My fault? Sure. I'm selfish enough to be enjoying myself in New Orleans (and drunk enough to be checking in to the forums).

Kick function doesn't get rid of asshats. It emboldens them.

So a player that wants to play the game a more efficient way...our a different way then you or just might set a standard with who he wants to play with is not a honest player? Kinda sounds like you are the asshat

queuing up to play with random types of players if you dont want to play with random types of players is not an honest player, correct

Edited, Nov 1st 2013 12:22am by Gopi

Someone who has DCed for a while or is AFK without notice for a while. Anything else, if I am not having fun, I have the option to leave.

The game can be programmed to remove players from DF instances for those reasons. I do not need to be given the ability to remove them myself.

Edited, Nov 1st 2013 12:55am by Gopi

For reasons like that yeah, dcs cant be helped it happens to all of us, but afkers without notice are just being ****** unless it is some sort of emergency and then its half a second key stroke of afk, or gtg. I do not care if someone has to go mid fight as long as its not for a stupid reason like to get a drink, things happen, just dont get all pissy if you die. If you think that trolls and d bags wont use this in a negitive way all I can say is wow, it will probably only take 2 votes in a 4 man to kick someone and that will be easy to get because ppl will not care as long as their not the one getting kicked. I agree this feature is needed but yet I know its going to be abused so bad. They should just add a feature that you can choose what you want in your pt. Say I want average ilvl 70, classes blm, brd, war for my group I could choose those options and go from there. This way ppl wont be punished, or kicked for jobs, or not having gear up to ones high standards.