it's all simple mechanics. shouldn't be this hard.Follow

Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

As long as people learn from there mistakes, a few wipes on a run are absolutely meaningless. People who are set on speed running shouldn't lean on the DF.

Pretty much. It leads to me being called an 'elitist' and people flinging accusations of ruining the game, but I guess a sacrifice has to be made somewhere

You know...I ran ST today on my BRD. I was with a SMN, a WHM, and a PLD. All three of them were new.

No problem. I'll go over everything they need to know and be their tour guide.

We get to the first boss...and the summoner just cannot handle the multitasking. No amount of looking up strategies would have prepared him for this: he simply did not have the coordination to run to a plate to clear doom WHILE DPSing the bees down. In the end, we managed to clear it on the /eighth/ try. I normally leave by the 5th try if I don't see improvement. I didn't want to leave them in the dust, though, since every single one of them was a nice player.

They also all were starting out: no real cross class abilities to help them out. The WHM didn't have swiftcast so when the SMN dropped, it was game over if I couldn't DPS down the bees in time. I could until the end of the fight when I was getting TP starved.

I totally agree that looking up endgame content should be pretty much a given. I have gone to great lengths to ensure that up and coming BLMs know the three HM primal fights in and out. I expect anyone in my FC, as a BLM, to read the guide before attempting the fights.

But dungeons while leveling? No: not at all. If you wipe once and it's pretty obvious that the player who caused the wipe needs help, THEN you tell them to go quickly look up the fight or explain to them what to do. These dungeons are very simplistic and very little explanation needs to be given in any of them because most of it is intuitive.

Do you know why I queue for DF instead of looking for shout groups in Revenant's Toll? Those groups are filled with asshats and are generally just boring. It's actually fun, as a healer, to join a random DF group and see what cards I am dealt. Healing is so boring in this game with a competent group...when someone makes a mistake, you get to shine.

The players in DF don't necessarily know everything about the dungeons because they might be new. This is how we build a positive community: by assisting these players and imparting the knowledge we've gained upon them.

When you refuse to teach them 'because you don't have the time', it can be a legitimate excuse if you have limited time to play. In which case, you probably should be forming your own groups in Rev. Toll. Otherwise if you refuse to teach groups because you simply don't have the time to teach 'noobz', I have some news for you: you probably aren't as godlike as you think you are. You can easily cap mythology every week with minimal effort. You can easily farm entire sets of DL gear for different classes in one weekend's worth of time. And what are you going to do with this gear? I certainly hope your answer is coil.

And once you've cleared coil up to turn 5, what are you going to do? Level a different class/job. And then you repeat the process over again. This "I don't have time because my time is more valuable than your time" shtick is kind of old. As someone who does all of the above, I have plenty of time to teach new players without even having to hint that I have any experience in endgame content. You can easily do the same.

I really do need to look you up ingame, Hitome. You seem like fun to play with.


Edited, Oct 29th 2013 6:01pm by ShindaUsagi

And...sig'd.

Seriously, I can't think of a better way to say that.



While I do feel like the word "elitist" is thrown around a bit too much, usually where it has no place, in this case those people are probably right.

The core function of elitism is imposing an unreasonable standard on people you've just met; which is exactly what it looks like you're doing. You seem to be asking that your random groups of randoms are all prepared enough to have looked up everything they're about to do ahead of time, and that if they've not done this they're bad players and need to change to meet your standard.

You might be an elitist.

its retarded to expect people to watch videos of easy *** story dungeons. its also less fun. if you suck at this game then yes, maybe you should watch the whole dungeon run before actually running it.

personally i enjoy taking someone through a dungeon on their first try. it takes like 2 lines of text to explain most bosses oh no! my hand hurts from all this holding.



Edited, Oct 29th 2013 10:27am by Llester

I actually enjoyed Brayflox immensely. It's on my bucket list to complete my gear set there.

WP so far has been fun also. My first run I was elected to control mobs because the summoner's attacks were all "DoTy" (her words). I thought, "well I have to learn sometime... Managed to not kill the tank and win the day. And now I'm more confident to show for it.

Mechanics are not brutal, no. And my runs inside DF typically succeed. Sure there's a wipe or two here and there but if everyone is positive about the situation I find the "learning" happens a lot faster.

And this is why if I ever switched servers, it would be to Migard. Great attitude.

"Moist cookies." - Grandma

edit: dammit, link fail

Edited, Oct 29th 2013 4:13pm by Catwho

I think there's a difference between someone knowing how to play their job and knowing specifically what to expect in a dungeon.

Knowing how to play BLM: sleep adds.
Knowing how to handle the minotaur boss in Sunken Temple as BLM: sleep the bees that always spawn in the same exact location multiple times through out the fight. Position yourself in a corner so that you can not only spot them easily when they spawn, but also so that they don't get kited behind you by your healer and thus interrupt your casting.

When I read people complaining about the "why should I have to teach them about a boss fight" attitude I can't help but wonder... do you guys just barge right into a boss fight without any type of discussion whatsoever? Because whether I'm with randoms from the DF or a full party of experienced FC members I still like to pause for a second and make sure everyone's on the same page...

"No time to touch base! CHARGE!" Really?

How are you going to refuse this:



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