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Do you know how much participation crap I have from the early 80's for hockey and school? Hell, even my parents have stuff from the 50s, 60s and 70s. It's been going on forever. Every generation has spoiled brats, honest folk, generous people. As you get older you mature and your perception changes and you fail to realize you were a giant douche bag from the ages of 12-25 (mileage may vary.)

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”


― Socrates

When I ran CM and Praetorium I just skipped all the cut scenes, mainly because I just wanted to get through it and I can watch them later. Even the ending I just skipped though. I do think it was pretty poor design on their part to have all of those cut scenes in end game dungeons like that.

While I expect the cut scenes, and I do like them. I agree with you that putting them in farmable dungeons was a mistake.

I have to agree that the changes made as well as the new dungeon coming out next month(Pharos or something like it) should help with this problem. It's very ironic how the very first people to lv50 didn't CM spam, but the people a few weeks behind did. Now CM is going back to the players on the mission which is a good thing. The only reason I preferred CM's was because no matter how terrible the group, we always won. Compared to my groups in WP and AK where people would see someone with less than stellar gear and leave or even wipe once and leave, that was a blessing. Now I'm having better luck doing AK and WP so it's a no brainier for me.

To anyone reading this...
Oh, and my statement about the 30min CS's in CM and PR was a sarcastic response. It's probably like 30sec-2min as someone else pointed out per CS. The sheer number of them are just annoying.

It was a self entitlement movement started in the 90s by soccer moms.

I'm getting old, I have handed the controller to my kid "Help me jump up there".

I thought everyone was tired of grinding after FFXI and that XIV was supposed to be a more casual and relaxing MMO. I guess that idea went out the window.

As a casual player I find myself being left in the dust and unable to do anything with LS/FC mates. I hope you're right about 2.1 offering an opportunity to catch up.

Don't think you'll ever catch up, really. Get closer, maybe, but never catch up. Restrictions like weekly tome limits or BC access basically see to imposing artificial limits on progress. And sure, SE could tweak item costs or dole out more tomes, but by the time that happens, I'd expect newer gear for the hardcores to be chasing, too.

SE put out a graphic just about a week ago that showed level 45-49 to technically be the lowest population of individuals on each collective server. Even still I hardly see people in AF gear anymore. A majority of those who have bought the game in the first month are now at some form of endgame. Id say at this point it is moving in a bell curve progression, where about 10% of players have 2 or 3 allagan pieces, AF2 armor, and relic +1, and 10% of the players are just starting out, just receiving the chocobo. The remainder of the 80% are somewhere in between, but the midpoint now appears to be people in mor dhona shouting for chimera and hydra.

This sort of trend is present in almost any game. It's only slightly different than people requiring you to have a delve weapon to farm for, you guessed it... a delve weapon in FFXI. It's no different than players in WoW requiring you to have a certain ilvl to participate in PUGs. It's also the reason that DF content will require you to have a certain ilvl to participate in the future.

I enjoyed FFXI, but was a little disappointed that there was no progression element. There was almost never any time in my decade long span of playing that game where I felt like I had reached a milestone that allowed me to participate in content that I couldn't prior. Don't get me wrong, I worked hard to get my relics and felt like they were an achievement, but I never thought to myself "I couldn't be doing this event if I didn't have my Spharai". RMT were clearing almost everything I was in garbage gear.


There's a thin line here. I don't think it's fair to call people elitist because they have standards for groups they form. If I am taking my time to assemble a group then I think it's fair that group be up to my standard.

DF is completely different. By signing up for a random group you're pretty much submitting yourself to a higher risk. The trade off is that it takes no organization on the part of any of the members to get started. If SE implements a 'vote to kick' feature and it is being abused to kick people from DF groups where their gear is already accounted for; then we have a problem.

Edited, Oct 24th 2013 6:40pm by FilthMcNasty

Part of me wants to start a LS just for slower more laidback runs. Where we can pop the chests for people who need the items and kill all the mobs for spiritbinding.