Princess TanksFollow

Why didnt you drink too then? Probably you would have used the same strategy as the whm, which would lead to a sucsessful run? You never know until you try it out. . . :-P
( Have not left a party yet, but i would definitely if people get too rude. )

Exactly, sometimes you just know that people wont be able to get past a dungeon. And just because you as a Paladin happen to come to that conclusion first that time and left first, you would be deemed a "princess tank"? Such rubbish.

I've not left a lot of runs myself. Nor do i overly care about people's classes/jobs and/or gear. But sometimes you just have to know when to call it quits. It's usually not the tank's fault, or anyone's really.

I've tanked plenty of AK runs since i hit the 50's. The last couple of weeks with a relic weapon even, but that shouldnt make me a "Princess Tank" when during or after the first Tentacle boss i come to realize that we're barely putting a dent in the trash mobs, taking 3-4 times as long on them as i would have liked. Or even people not focussing and hitting whatever, where-ever they can. The first person to leave after putting one and one together and coming to the conclusion that this group is NEVER going to be able to get past Demonwall, no matter how much coordinating and effort you would put into it, is apparently automatically deemed as the "badguy" here in the topic.

Tanks, (and while we're at it, other members), dont leave parties because they dont like a little effort and challenge in their groups, they leave because (1) the group isn't going to be able to beat the dungeon no matter how much work is put in, or (2) someone in the party is being a major **** about something and the entire atmosphere is ruined because of it.

Just because you as a Tank would be able to instantly queue into another group, and the remaining members would not be able to do the same, shouldnt mean that you arent allowed to leave a party if something isn't to your liking. What kind of a world do people think we live in where we'd basicly be told to "suck it up" and be forced to stay in a group to wipe 5-6 times before it all falls apart, when you could easily see this comming.

Actually, that sounds about right for Dash "Cash" Berlin (He's a trance producer and he was mocked for requesting the highest amount any DJ has ever asked for to play at Armin Van Buuren's ASOT *50 party, earning him a lot of scorn and derision from other DJs for having an inflated opinion of his own worth.)



And when a group goes on to win a dungeon after the tank has left, with or without a replacement, it just goes to show the tank was being a princess after all.

On Kirin: Kirin was hard in 2004. Kirin was much less hard in 2006. Kirin was a joke by 2008. At that point, the hardest part of beating Kirin was getting everyone past the pot room.

But Kirin was hard, hard, hard in 2004, because people hadn't figured out how to beat him before he started spawning babies yet. That meant a PLD or two kiting him around while he spawned the other four gods in succession and one alliance beat down on those. Once the babies were dead, the alliance would reform and start picking away at him. By 2006 players had discovered that his defenses were really not so bad if you could pin him down, and the standard setup was BRD x3 WHM x3 DDx11 with a RDM chainspell stunner. WHMs used Benediction as soon as Kirin 2-houred, and the alliance continued to beat him down. Whole thing took less than a minute.

The gear difference between 2004 and 2008 cannot be stressed enough. More people actually had {sky} gear, {sea} gear, and Dynamis/Limbus gear. ToAU gear greatly improved the base level for players as well. So what was a cakewalk for a single alliance in 2008 was really, really tough in 2004.

Edited, Oct 21st 2013 9:47am by Catwho

Woah a new Troll has joined us while I was away. Hi there! Your post is super amusing. :D

Start out the post with, "I was not trying to troll."

Then you immediately post a video that only a true troll has in their video library. "Oh, no you didn't!" Snap a Z girl. Bam!

The post then takes a nose dive, starting out with, "You ***** about.... blah blah blah - TLDR".

Anyway, thanks for joining in here. We were getting light on trolls and it's always more fun when someone is spewing hateful nonsense that you have to dodge.

AHHHHHH! Watch out for the AoE nonsense - Don't stand in the red circle of gibberish!

So ya, you just started my Monday off with a big laugh. Thanks so much! :)

I did that too. I'm not playing that game anymore.

While I realize that comparisons are inevitable, the sheer magnitude of false equivalency that goes on between FFXI and FFXIV is staggering. For instance... just because both weapons are called "relic" does not make them the same. They're different games, the term was just re-used.

For the record, here are some other terms that have been re-used and mean something different now:
- Materia
- Job
- Limit Break
- Weapon Skill

Yeah, Me and a friend who played WoW together were discussing the fact that its like almost impossible to play a MMO any more and not subconsciously compare it to WoW in some way. I'm the same way with WoW, it pretty much dominated 7 years of my life for the most part.




I think this is probably what bothers me the most. Like, its not the same game, ugh, I dunno, I was also in a pissy mood this morning and then reading through this tread there is like 5000 posts about FFXI.

I guess what bothers me the most is I really like this game a lot and it gets annoying watching people rip it cause they zerged to end game in 2 days and they are bored now or because they are longing for some re vamp of an old game they used to play. Like I did CM and Prea for the first time last night and even though it was through the DF and I skipped the majority of the CS, which I don't care cause I'll just watch them later, it was the most fun I've had in an MMO in a long long time, like since Burning Crusade.

Grow up. Hahaha. This thread is great.

With a name like Princess Tanks, what could go wrong?!

EDIT: Catwho, btw I totally get your thread. Good advice you are giving too.

Just want to drink tequila in the RAAAAIN!

Pants on fire.

Edited, Oct 21st 2013 4:42pm by Gnu

Cat pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Gear cannot really be stressed enough in FFXI. It was difficult in 2004 to do Kirin. I remember the first time I went to fight him. I was with a JP LS. This was when Tu'lia had Ullikummi up for hours on end unclaimed. We popped him, got rolled in 5 minutes, and called it a day. The alliance leader(s) knew what to do..it was just hard to convey and we only had one shot.

Gear made it possible to zerg Kirin making him trivial.

The same can be said of Divine Might. It was very difficult to do in 2005 where you didn't have 17 BLMs nuking the sh*t out of them. I remember doing it the hard way and..it was hard (yet rewarding). The sheer amount of coordination required was mind boggling considering you were juggling 5+ mobs at once, kiting two back and forth with a couple of healers and tanks while focusing down 2 in the beginning.

You had to deal with all of the nasty status ailments, huge burst damage, 2 hours, charms, etc. It tested your group's coordination and, yes: individual skill.

After that came PW. I will admit that, though I downed him before the BLU zerg fest came to be, he wasn't terribly difficult: just time consuming. Yes, people had to know what they were doing but by that point, relics were much more common (especially on PLDs) so the fight became trivial.

I'm curious how many of you have actually done PW pre-2008? Certainly I can say not Vietrel: again, him speaking from lack of experience.

I think 6-4 was also a testament to individual skill. You can agree or disagree all you want. The difference between a good PLD or NIN on that fight was as clear as night and day. Same with your healers.

Now outside of that, I cannot really think of many challenging things in 11. Well truth be told I can when we relate it to 14. Soloing some of the AF quests could be a testament to player ability and such. I don't really see any of that in 14.



Tired of hearing 14 and 11 being compared? Too bad. This is a FF game and it has a predecessor. There are so many things taken from 11 in this game...yet there are also a plethora of other aspects taken from many other MMOs. It is not FF 11 v 2.0 but to deny some of the similarities is rather naive.

Many of us miss 11 for many reasons...but one major aspect I have seen appear again and again is the community.

In case you weren't aware, Yoshi seems to be quite the MMO addict and 'hardcore' one at that. As such, it seems he has taken what he has seen as successful additions to other MMORPGs and implemented them here while leaving some of the less appealing aspects out.

Most of us realize that 14 isn't 11 but it doesn't stop us from dreaming fondly of our time spent in Vanadiel.

Edited, Oct 21st 2013 4:57pm by HitomeOfBismarck

If you had "speedy pants" (e.g. Crimson pants) or shoes, then it was possible to outrun Kirin's attacks. Otherwise, no. It was not that trivial to outrun his ga spells and breath attacks. (PLD could wear Crimson, but not Herald's Gaiters. NIN had night time speedy feet, but a NIN would get one shotted on the first AOE he didn't outrun. Crimson was pretty much it for movement speed for PLD until the ASA pants were added.)

Aaaaaand guess which HNM dropped Crimson pants?

FFXI did require a lot of time, that is a keen observation. The rest of your point is lost to those that know the hardships of the game. You make it seem like finding people was enough and the challenge was nonexistent. I disagree and so will most people who played endgame in the old days.



Hate control was wonky, kiting took forever and by the 100th lap, you can easily make a mistake. Kirin's 2hr could easily murder the entire alliance. Unlike Titan where if you beat the heart, you're going to live though it 100% of the time. No amount of buffs in the old days would give you that kind of protection from Kirin's 2hr.



Wrong again Bob. You seem to forget that people used to steal these mobs. Sure you could potentially try again on most mobs if you could retain claim, but odds are you lost it to another LS. There are no infinite tries from where I sit. Plus these mobs depop if you lose aggro for too long.




Yeah, sure whatever you say. You didn't zerg Kirin in 2004. It wasn't until much later. Unless you're going to claim you're part of the movement that started zerging him? Either way, it wasn't done that way by 99% of LS's so it's moot.



Considering how wrong you are about everything so far, I don't believe a word you say. You're clearly living on another plane of reality.



Yeah, it's ok to take the words of someone out of context to make a point. I'm not surprised you're defending another douche.

Grow up??? Yeah, real classy.

Any tank worth their weight in salt will "lead" a party. Every tank has hte same basic expectations, and if they're not being met, it's their job to explain what they want to the other members.

The incident in the OP was in a level 20 dungeon. So, yeah.

I agree that by the level 30 dungeons folks ought to have a handle on what they need to do. By Haukke Manor, they've had to go through at least four dungeons in the main scenario (the three tutorial dungeons and Toto Rok) so they can't be totally ignorant of their role.

As a tank or healer, or even as a fellow DPS, if you have someone who is being a moron in your group, give them a few chances before you give up entirely.

Also, if someone admits they screwed up and apologizes, it's really rude to leave anyway.