Just how good is Byregot's Blessing?Follow

Is it good enough that I should take Carpenter to 50 next?

I was considering Leatherworker next, but I keep hearing about Byregot's Blessing... which has me wondering if I shouldn't change that to Carpenter.

Does anyone here have it yet? Can you elaborate on just how awesome it really is?

Thanks!

Edited, Oct 14th 2013 10:42am by Hairspray

Yeah I saw that on Reddit today, which got me thinking about it... I really had no interest in Carpenter before reading just about every guide on crafting including Byregot's Blessing...

I'm going to do 15-50 on that next

The way BB works, with GS + Inno + ~6 stacks of IQ you have a move that basically a garunteed Excellent (15-100% in one move).

Of all the 50 abilities its the most redonk so far. It makes HQing everything so much less luck based.

The thing that nobody is telling you and the description doesn't come out and say is that it takes Inner Quiet away when you use it, so you really only get one good shot with it per synth. That said, it can be one hell of a shot.

There is a small bug with it, at least I'm assuming it's a bug. After you use it, your control doesn't drop back down to base level, but it also doesn't increase with each touch. So if you got 5 steps in with inner quiet and used byregot's, you're still sitting at 200% control. Using Inner Quiet again does reset you to your base, I tried it already hoping it might multiply.

I just unlocked Innovation when I hit Goldsmith 50 last night, so I can stack Innovation and Byregot's Blessing?

Holy crap!

5 x Inner Quiet stack then Ingenuity II → Great Strides → Innovation → Byregot's Blessing → Joygasm

If you get Waste Not II for Leatherworker 50 then you should be able to churn out HQ Rose Gold and Darksteel nuggets with ridiculous ease.

Edited for clarification

Edited, Oct 15th 2013 9:13am by SolomonGrundy

Inner Quiet grats a bonus to control with each successful synth, I think it's been parsed about 12%, so successful synth increase quality exponentially. The description for Byregot's Blessing reads:

Efficiency: 100% plus 20% for each bonus to control granted by Inner Quiet

So 5 successful synths with Inner Quiet up = 100% bonus to control.

This is exactly why you should stack Ingenuity II (Lowers recipe level three below current level for the next three steps), Great Strides (Doubles efficiency of next "Touch" action. Effect active for three steps) and Innovation (Increases control by 50% for the next three steps) before using it for a sickeningly high leap in quality. It wouldn't hurt to have Reclaim (Increases the chance materials will not be lost after botched synthesis to 90%) either as Byregots Blessing is 90% (I'm unsure if applying Steady Hand before would make this 100%, maybe someone else can confirm)?

Inner Quiet by itself is far from useless. Doing a 1 star recipe earlier I didn't use Ingenuity, only Hasty/Basic Touch. First one to land was 105, 11th one to land was 279.

Byregot's Blessing does count in the +20% per step quality bonus, as well as the +20% per step efficiency.

Innovation doesn't work as well as it sounds; you get +50% (one place in game says +30%, but it's +50%) bonus to your base control. So 5 steps of Inner Quiet and you are at 200% control. Use Innovation and it's 250% control, not 300%. It's still 2.5 steps of Inner Quiet for 3 moves, but another slight disappointment after I hit 50 in a craft.

Ingenuity (II) isn't necessary when you're going crazy on Quality.

You only want it when you need to (drastically) increase Progress.

Ah, gotcha. I thought this might be what you meant. Thanks for clarifying :)

If Inner Quiet is ~12% increase in quality per action, that means that Advanced Touch @ 5x Inner Quiet would be ~210%, while Byregots would be at 200. At 6, Advanced Touch would be at 222, while Byregots Blessing would be at 220. At 7, Advanced Touch would be at 236, while Byregots would finally pass it at 240.

You are forgetting that Inner Quiet gives a bonus to quality to all touch actions while it is in effect. The benefit to Byregots only begins to be useful after 5x, as it's success rate is lower, but it's CP cost is also lower. Ideally you will be @5+ when doing a material synth, and 8-10+ when doing a final ingredient synth.

@5 it is a CP balancing question. Which is why I typically do one Advanced Touch before I do a Byregots. Since Great Strides + Byregots = 56 CP, and Advanced Touch = 48. I can target 104 as my bare minimum CP for 25-30 Durability, with the ideal number being 136-154 (possibly adding a Great Strides on the Advanced Touch, and innovation being a ultimately nice to have).

(Had the wrong CP count for Innovation)

Edited, Oct 16th 2013 9:23am by rfolkker

I apologize for the mis-understanding. I meant that Inner Quiet itself doesn't do anything. But, with Inner Quiet up, your touch abilities begin to build on themselves, showing the real benefit to it. Then, once you reach the breaking point, Byregots becomes impressive (I have been able to get over 1500 quality on a single Byregots, with Great Strides, Innovation, and the condition for the synth was good, my record for Advanced touch was around 1300).

As for innovation, that is why I use it as a "If I have the CP", The highest touch action (which includes Byregots), followed by Great Strides are the most important. Innovation is a nice to have, as it does a nice increase to quality, but rarely will be a make or break. At best it could be the difference between 94% and 100% quality. Where I have seen a difference in ~50% quality with the use of Great Strides, and Byregots/Advanced Touch I have seen as high as 60%.