close call... still shakingFollow

Yeah, if you are in a party you should have equipped the WAR stone. You'd have received a huge HP boost, plus the first WAR ability boosts it again by 25%, as well as the amount of HP healed from magic, it would also have increased your emnity.

Grats on the win though!

Nice work on the win, Brayflox is one of the first true steps up in difficulty.

And yes, after 30 there's not really a good reason to use your class over your job.

I've never swapped into lower level gear for a capped dungeon, but I haven't done the math on it though. With how the gear stats basically step in a bit every few levels, I'd bet it's pretty much a wash for you if you keep old gear. I'd think it'd be annoying more than anything. I've never had any issue with higher gear scaling down using the high quality eyeball test, but my healers don't complain, so meh...

As far as tanking...get that WAR stone on and have Defiance up 100%. You'll see a difference right there. I'm not 50 or a numbers guru, I just know what works through my static (up through Cutter's Cry at 38). Simply having a defensive ability up such as Foresight or Bloodbath (I consider this defensive as you're able to heal back some instead of just having it nullified) will help out. I activate Foresight right before a pull and Convalescence and if Foresight isn't up, use Bloodbath. Something for the initial part of the fight to help the healer works wonders.

As far as the pull itself, making sure all DPS are on the same page for what mob to attack (mark mobs!) and you being able to swap mobs quickly once the current one is down (I swap to next mob about 10-15% left) allows them to move through a bit quicker. Popping an offensive ability like Berserk or Internal Release (again I cycle them) to help with dropping the first mob helps.

I always target quicker kill mobs first. I've always been of the mindset that the more mobs you have hitting you, the worse it is. So how you mark mobs matters as well. The only caveat to that is if you have mobs with AoE or Conical attacks, I put priority on those over ones that just attack.

Hope this helps at all, feel free to ask any questions. Again, not an expert and many likely will disagree with me...this just has worked for me and my WHM likes this approach, so hopefully at least some of it is right ;)

My group going through XI had a very fortunate run of being able to clear pretty much any story mission the first try (even Promy before they got nerfed). We had some really rough fights so much was incredibly lucky, but still we worked well as a team and were prepared.

We're 0/2 on Sunken Temple and it kicked us in the ***, took our names, and was ready the second time we went. And we can't wait to get another crack at it. Was a big wakeup call based on how we've done in the past :)

Completely agree on that difficulty. It feels like it's doable, but you really have to be on your game, which I love.

Edited, Oct 7th 2013 11:10am by dawgdchi

You do get stat boosts, not sure if they are the same for every job though.

I just like the idea that somewhere, on another forum, a guy who plays healer is posting about this marauder in a brayflox run that almost died because he didn't equip his damn job stone. grats on win.

That healer guy was actually my brother..... and he didn't have stone either, he went conjurer instead of whm. Went in.... my bro asks on skype "wtf is a bard?" We had two pick up bards with us.... then it dawned on us both, we were still class, not job. So a gimped MRD , CNJ and two awesome DDs must have got us through it.

I just wonder what those brds were thinking when they saw us show up as class with no job stone. No complaints from them though.... must be because they been waiting on df for hours, where me tank and my bro healer can get instant access. I actually feel kinda bad, since those DDs carried us. Whoever you are BRDs.... thanks for putting up with us. I'll be better for the next one, and equip my shiny new job stone.

I'll miss being a MRD though argggh! I always thought it was a cooler concept since 1.0 and a welcome change from the "classic" WAR. Permanently putting away my class doesn't feel good to me.

Perhaps CLASS specific equipment and abilities would be a good idea for a future update to make players debate rolling class vs job. It would almost double player diversity and party setups endgame as well as spawn interesting arguments.

Warrior specific, you mean like this? http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Category:Warrior_Exclusive

Right, but you realize the point is... that you leave behind your class >.> right?

I realize both these things..... I just forgot to put stone on. My POINT is that in some FUTURE update they should maybe start including perks for making the choice to stay as CLASS vs job. I know it's pointless to stay class instead of job AT THE MOMENT. It would diversify things a lot more and face players with difficult debatable choices if you gave CLASSES something that a job would lack instead of putting your class into undeniable permanent retirement at level 30.

Would it not be interesting if you had the option to lose your current job abilities.... but goin back to the past.... you could get NEW abilities and equips at the cost of taking off that job crystal? I'm talking really complex sh*t here that would prettymuch double current party setup possibilities. I could go on and on if anyone gives a damn.

Edited, Oct 8th 2013 7:56am by klooste8

I have a few votes for Class specific additions! yay.

And thanks to everyone who posted advice. Rest assured if you see me in duty finder, me and my brother will have job crystals equipped until classes get something more.

However, if that's not going to happen, why not just automatically "promote" people to job after hitting 30/15? Right now it's like there's a check box in the menu asking "would you like to suck more? yes { } no{ } It is what I call "a false choice." There is apparently currently very little point to even having the option to stay class (which I mistakenly went to duty finder as).

From the website "Classes are suited to those who desire versatility, as they allow the use of actions that belong to other disciplines. In contrast, jobs grant access to exclusive actions and are ideal for situations that demand well-defined roles. Which fighting style you adopt is entirely up to you."

My complaint is, don't make it sound like I have a decision to make when it is pretty damn clear that jobs > classes. It might confuse new players.

Might have went better saying "Classes are suited to those who want to suck more, as they gimp your stats and allow the use of slightly useful actions you might not have enough mp to use because they belong to other disciplines. In contrast , jobs grant access to exclusive actions that kick way more *** than using skills from other disciplines and are ideal for any situation that requires you to be more functional. Which fighting style you adopt is pretty damn obvious.... put your stone on noob.

Sometimes I am bad at explaining my ideas. I apologize if I confused anyone.

For what it's worth, Mrd can do some beastly damage at 50 with the right cross class skills.

Internal Release from Pug.
Blood for Blood from Lnc.
Raging Strikes from Arc.

All combo'd with Berserk and the 20% more damage from Maim and -10% SR from Storm's Eye means you can put out a crapton of hurt over the course of ~20s, or else stagger them across a fight for a larger sustained gain in damage. I mean, Maim + RS alone puts you at +40% damage. That's pretty nuts.

But if you're going to be tanking, you want to be a warrior.

This is what pre-formed parties are for. Go grab some friends and experiment!