Aurum Vale MadnessFollow

Was a page taken out of Sunken Temple's book for how the mechanics of this dungeon go? I mean I went with about 3 Pug groups and 2/3 wiped on the first boss. 2 of the 3 were JP and the English group I went with got to the final boss, but the BLM we had didn't know how to use Limit Break. How do people get to Level 50 and don't know what Limit Break is, that's my question. But anyways, does anyone have any real strategy for the final boss? It's not the Burrs I'm worried about it's the insane amount of adds that swarm and our DPS didn't feel like dealing with them. We figured if we Limit Break them with AoE it would be over quicker, but like I said before our BLM literally asked "What's LB?" I knew I should've quit the dungeon, but I was at the end so I didn't until we wiped 6 times and all my gear nearly broke, then I left out of frustration. The thing that bugged me the most during that entire boss fight was our BLM who kept sitting still while he/she got mobbed by seedlings and our DRG who left the BLM alone and focused on the boss. I wonder how do these types of people make it to these dungeons....

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 1:36pm by ImmolatedHope

I didnt have to use a LB until lvl 50 in AK. So to act surpised that people dont know how is silly and elitist. Especially since 1-49 you never really need to use them.

I am in no way claiming to be an elitist, but after a while people should know what their duties are in a dungeon. Now, this does not mean I am without fault, i have been hit by an AOE, when by all rights I know to avoid, just not as quick as I should be.

I am happy to see that others also did the LB w/ ARN or SMN and a big ol' WTF came up. If your on a controller and try to hotbar this, your in for a rude surprise if you don't already know how to use it. You have to select the button to bring up the aiming circle, if it's purple, forget it, move it until it's orange/redish, then you have to release your left or right bumper depending on your set up, then press A on your controller for it to actually fire. So, after learning all of this, in the midst of a boss battle, I can see why/how people don't know how to do it.

EDIT: I don't think you need to gear check people in a dungeon prior to 50 as it really isn't a hug make-or-break situation. However, i do not entirely feel this is even needed at lvl 50 dungeons either. Granted, they should know their duties but gear checking when using DF is just asking for trouble and arguments.

You should always do a knowledge check when using the DF for ANY level dungeon. this does not mean to call out or criticize those who are new to the dungeon, we all have to learn at one point, but to give helpful tips and guidance to those who are new.

Edited, Sep 19th 2013 2:46pm by RyanSquires

If you have a relatively new BLM or THM in your party and you need the AoE Limit Break, it would be a good idea to explain to them that they have to press the button twice, once to activate and a second click to target the AoE effect.

The aiming part of the THM Limit Break is not all together obvious the first time you need it to fire off. No reason to fail when a polite heads up to your rookie party member will get them on the right track. It's doubly satisfying to win and learn/teach new things with party members.

Actually, if your a DPS, you can go through the entire story without having to use your LB. when you get to the final 8 man dungeons, you have 3 other DPS that can do their LB to, so that only gives you a 25% odds to use it, not high and still, completely reasonable as to why you would not have to do it. As for primals, not the HM ones, you again, only have 50% odds you will need to cast it, and most DPS will use it in a heartbeat. So realistically, finding a DPS that has gotten all the way to 50 without having to do either LB is well within reason. Not nit-picking, just saying.

I agree. Parties that can give polite advice to new-ish palyers seem to have a far better success rate then party made up of a couple very experienced players with little patience for newbies.

Whenever some elite player throw their little fit and rage quits a dungeon, the party nearly always goes on to win, sometimes with 100% first timers.

My question is, how do people reach lvl 50 in an MMO and not improve their patience skills?

I'll take players with patience and helpful attitudes over knowing how to use their LB anyday.

This is why I haven't taken my level 42 THM from 1.0 into any of the late game dungeons I could, in theory, enter on it. Gameplay on THM is different enough from 1.0 that I'd be "that guy" if I went into any of the dungeons. Unprepared and underwhelming.

A few of the really bad people you're encountering might be in that boat.

Well I'm not trying to come off as an elitist since I do not like them myself. I'd hate to become the thing I envy the most in any MMO. I was just curious. I'm not trying to put anyone down. It just makes me question stuff, that's all. I mean the move from 1-50 is a long one. (We all know this.) And there are dungeons which will cause you to wipe 3+ times or more. So I figured maybe some roles would have used a Limit Break to get over those hurdles. I mean I'm not saying "Do this or get out." But I do have a minimum requirement of when I go into the dungeon that people should know their role by now....I mean I come from FFXI and I was always taught that if you weren't up to snuff come Abyssea or even Voidwatch people weren't going to hold your hand and tell you what you need to do. Some end-game Linkshells wouldn't even take you if you didn't have your Empyrean set built. There were people who would bottleneck players to those standards. I remember being kicked out of quite a few parties for not having Shijin Spiral on my 99 PUP.

I also understand there are players who are new to the FF scene and that BLM I explained to her what Limit Break was and how to use it, the problem was she panicked. (Which is normal when under pressure) and didn't use it which caused us to wipe quite a few times to the point where I had to throw in the towel because my gear was on its last legs. When my gear hits 10% and we wipe after that I usually quit.

I find that simply focusing any "adds" can be better then trying to aoe them. The pudding in WP come to mind.

The reason for this largely is because, except in a very small number of circumstances, it's always better for a MNK or DRG to handle dps limit breaks. Most of the time you don't need an AoE attack and it hits for less damage than the single-target attack from a melee against fewer than 2 targets.

It's important not to assume everyone knows exactly what to do, especially please remember that the game launched less than a month ago. Many of the people you're seeing in your DF groups are doing that dungeon for the very first time, whether they admit it or not.

For me, Aurum Vale has been a nightmare. Not because I can't figure out what to do, but because I either get people that have apparently never run a dungeon before (tanks that can't hold more than one target for instance) or people who are so full of themselves that they can't abide people not knowing as much about the dungeon as they do. Both extremes of this spectrum are useless wastes of space at this level, and the dungeon mechanics simply don't tolerate people not knowing what to do.

If you know how a fight works, explain it to people. If you don't know how a fight works, ask questions.

If everyone is new, accept that a learning curve will be involved.

LB isn't mandatory for those two. It helps, but I've done it without using that. As far as gear checking DF players goes...if masochism is your thing, I'm not one to knock it. You're looking for a reason to flame if you start doing that.