Zam's interview with Yoshi at SonyFollow

You know that person (you know what person implies, right? one single human being?) that brought this issue up on reddit and the OF got a warning right? Not permabanned?

Do you remember that question I asked you the last time you logged on? To follow up: I remember why now.



I might actually agree with this if there wasn't already a precedent for it. Are you familiar with DBM by any chance? It's a very popular addon in WoW. It tells you everything you'd want to know about the boss (and probably a lot that you don't want to know). Somehow, though, WoW is able to keep some of their content challenging despite having these addons that tell people how to kill a boss.

Not that I'm defending anything. I use the Twintania tracker on occasion when we are training a new player and I need precise timing. However, SE has never been really good at implementing things like this (or even endorsing them). This was fine in 2002 when addon support for MMOs was not to be seen anywhere. However, it's 2014. There are many MMOs who now support and endorse addons.

What interested me so much in 14 was that Yoshi had originally said he would be implementing addons to this game himself. However, it seems they want to fall back on old habits: a retreat to the dark ages once again. I guess that's OK as I used Windower and most of its addons in 11 without incident. Pretty obvious for a GM to figure out when you're changing 13 pieces of gear at once, you know?

It's quite sad to see even a fraction of the playerbase also wishing to retreat back into the dark ages. Let's shun technology and scoff at programs that are capable of giving us meaningful metrics/data about the game.

Might as well keep my my club and loincloth handy should I need to blend in.

Edited, Feb 12th 2014 11:50pm by HitomeOfBismarck

Which then removes any factual basis for calling someone out on poor performance if you can't produce physical evidence on the matter due to the risk of getting banned. I'm not sure if they're trying to prevent people being jerks about DPS (which admitedly is facilitated by DPS meters) or trying to passively discourage the widepsread use of addons by making a stance against them. I'm not quite sure whether I like or hate how this is turning out.
There's also this. It was mentioned the game would have support for addons. It's bizarre that after that has been said now the addons can get you banned if you get "caught". That'd be like Blizzard banning guilds that use Omen, DBM/BigWigs and/or the plethora of DPS meters available.

Edited, Feb 13th 2014 5:51am by Ruisu

When I did my original interview with Yoshi almost a year ago now, he indicated that the add on tools would be a Windows only download and it seemed like he was thinking it would be an API and IDE all in one. Whether they use LUA or some other language I have no idea what the plan is (please not LUA I hope).

I think the fact that there is no text log like most other games have is the biggest issue since it basically has to read the memory for the info. I remember eq1 and eq2, you would /log and it would produce a text log that a parser would read in 'as close to real time' as possible. Ultimately they cannot and will not ban people for using a parser. That is just MMO fact.

What they can do is ban people for being jerks/rude/booting people from groups for reasons other than their 3 listed acceptable ones.

As far as saying stuff about parsing I do and will continue to list parses in groups. I just wont be a jerk about it. If i do a DF run and end up with 2x i55 dd and i am out parsing them on my i85 war, thats the end of it right there, i know why and they know why i am out dmging them, i dont need to rub it in their face. Now if i do a PF group and someone says 'we are failing because x y z' ill bust the parser out and see if they are right (most often not).

There is honestly no reason to be afraid of parsing, unless your a jerk and just dont know it lol ;-p

Yeah they're there but almost useless for real time data. I'm not sure how large the log buffer is, but I know it doesn't write to it incredibly often.