I've already got the hard sell that white dye is somehow impossible in DAOC, thanks to the OpenGL stuff. I don't pretend to understand programming language, but i know all the items start out brown or gray so that's as light as they get. My idea is to have separate art (like the guild emblems) so that any item can be portrayed as white. This is obviously very labor intensive and maybe even difficult to do, but I figure if I can get my cloak in any color including white, (emblemed) then all the rest of the stuff in the game can't be far behind. So, can I have white dyes, enamels, and weapon lusters now? I'm really jonesing for an all white vamp. =)