Quivers?Follow

Haven't been keeping up, but did read somewhere that it's somewhat fixed now. Anyway, here's a link Whitman provided not-too-long ago on the subject: http://www.eqoutrider.net/eqforums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=5204

Personally, I don't even use a quiver any more, since I rarely bow only stuff, and if I do, it's for Headshotting, which the proc rate is modified for haste items. Thus, it's still the same amount of average procs per minute, with or without a quiver, and you get more real storage space with a non-quiver container.

Also from what I've heard, when it was really messed up, it depended alot on the bow delay and quiver combination. So, if you're really into using one, I'd recommend using a parsing program, and going to the Luclin Scion which are invulnerable to attacks, and don't attack, and you can arrow them a few 1000 shots, then divide the total fight time by the number of shots to figure up the average delay, for each quiver you want to know about, and no quiver also. It takes a little bit of time, but not too long. Last time I did it, with 2 quivers and none, all 3 with Haste, without, and with Haste + bard Overhaste, and it took about 2 hours, but a big part of that time is waiting on a free bard to group with me for 15 mins or so to do the parses. This was several years ago, and I think before the quiver debocle (sp?), and with a slower bow, which even after the ***** up, most said quivers actually helped. Anyway, I got similar to traditional results. More wt reduction resulted in faster bow shots.

EDIT: BTW, the JQotH is a pretty easy quest, if they want alot of money for it. Need 4 lungs from Shissars in The Grey, then turn-in to a Katta Castellum NPC. Fleeting Quiver is pretty much worth 4K+ due to the rarity of the Lion Skin you need to make one. Took me about 80+ hrs to get one (actually two, as they dropped pretty close together).

Yther Ore.

Edited, Feb 20th 2012 1:42pm by Yther

Fleeting quiver is not that hard to get, once you find the placeholder lion. I got about 4 skins in 3 hours of tracking, but then I may have been lucky. Just follow the hints on the ph in the quiver write up. (Or is it the mob write up?)\

I will have to disagree with you Green Shag. I can easily go through 100+ Class 3 Wood Silver Tip Arrows in an outing. And while you are hunting the RARE High Quality Lion Skins you might as well craft or pay someone to make the BEST QUIVER…beside the speed is a big jump and always nice to have extra space. Never know when you have to give up some arrows to that lazy Shadow Knight or Warrior that forgot their arrows. And only the level 78 Deadfall is VERY situational. The rest are nice to have in your ********

Following are all the spells that use the arrows:
Level 78 Deadfall https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=15083 used as first strike. Non combat. Hits real hard. And on ANY mob.

Level 83 Heartpierce https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=19215 use anytime Humanoid forms: Goblins, Pirates, Elves etc. Used a lot hits hard. 2794

Level 85 Hearshear https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=19177 use anytime Humanoid & animal targets. Used a lot hits hard.

Level 85 Enraging Shot https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=19236 use anytime deals 2794 damage

Level 88 Heartrend https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=25463 use anytime hits for +10k hp

Level 90 Heartslice https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=25520 use anytime hits for 4610 Hp

Level 90 Infuriating Shot https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=25529 use anytime hits for 3995 hp

Level 93 Heartrip https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=28540 use anytime hits for +13k

Level 95 Heartslash https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=28600 use anytime hits for 6k / 4200

Level 95 Provoking Shot https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/spell.html?spell=28606 use anytime hits for +5k / 3600

Ya know Vinney, I will have to try them out.

If those humanoid/animal restrictions have been relaxed like you listed, then I could see them being useful. Also, I remember a lot of them being "opening shot only" and the main problem was that both you AND the mob had to be out of combat, which presented an inherent flaw when casting it against a mob that was tanked already. Or you could use it to to pull which was an even worse choice to make because 95% of mobs summon; so an initial cast of one of those arrow nukes would usually get you summoned into an angry pack of mobs.

I've gotten used to my spell lineups for dps using 4 elemental nukes and my usual utility lineup only having room for 2 nukes anyway, so I would usually just go with the highest fire and ice nukes.

I know I still have a couple stacks of the silver arrows in my quiver, so I'll have to come up with a lineup for them and try them out. You've convinced me to try them, Vinney. =-)