I promised to start this thread here.
I don't recall how I became a scholar. I became a sage when Mfbrownbear led a concerted effort to have fun and get people rated up, culminating in This epic thread.
I consistently rate up everyone contributing anything insightful, useful or funny to the eq alla boards --in my opinion this also includes community participation threads like the weekend update. I have "scholar dinged" quite a few, as I imagine many others have (look to the big post folks, they do alot around here).
I only rate down EULA breakers (i.e., gold sites), over the top nastiness (this isn't the asylum)and the very rare piece of intentionally misleading info.
Perhaps the bigger question is why aren't you a scholar?
If you have less than 300 posts and post here regularly... my approach alone should have dinged you.
If you have a huge post count it's harder to budge your status. Check threads like This where you see that bbot is a scholar and Yther is a sage... obviously both contribute enough to be higher ranked (both GURU in my mind).
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Despite the fact that the unspoken rule is "don't talk about karma" I think you're right - there are too few people who post on this forum to worry about it.
My understanding is that every post you make which is not rated down gives you a tiny uptick in karma so that even if you were never rated up, you would make scholar eventually.
Where people get into trouble is they post things that are rude, condescending, or with excessive "leet" speak and get rated down by someone. Other ways to get rated down used to be by having extremely unpopular opinions about game issues. I say used to be because I doubt there are enough trigger-happy downraters left here. Downrating is and was never intended to allow you to penalize someone for an opinion you don't share.
Having said all that, I think I made scholar somewhere into my 300th post as well - but it's been so long that it's hard to remember. Karma was more volatile back then and people used to go on rating sprees where entire threads would get karma nuked.
Personally I like blue, so a blue name is good. My irrational fear has always been getting pushed into Sage and having my name turn green. If that happens, I'll post on the WoW forums and I'll be sure to get a nice karma debt to keep me blue.
My understanding is that every post you make which is not rated down gives you a tiny uptick in karma so that even if you were never rated up, you would make scholar eventually.
Where people get into trouble is they post things that are rude, condescending, or with excessive "leet" speak and get rated down by someone. Other ways to get rated down used to be by having extremely unpopular opinions about game issues. I say used to be because I doubt there are enough trigger-happy downraters left here. Downrating is and was never intended to allow you to penalize someone for an opinion you don't share.
Having said all that, I think I made scholar somewhere into my 300th post as well - but it's been so long that it's hard to remember. Karma was more volatile back then and people used to go on rating sprees where entire threads would get karma nuked.
Personally I like blue, so a blue name is good. My irrational fear has always been getting pushed into Sage and having my name turn green. If that happens, I'll post on the WoW forums and I'll be sure to get a nice karma debt to keep me blue.
Samatman wrote:
My understanding is that every post you make which is not rated down gives you a tiny uptick in karma so that even if you were never rated up, you would make scholar eventually.
Each person has a hidden numeric score which indicates what level of karma they're at (this used to be visible but people would go into full drama mode over a 0.01 shift). When you post, you automatically rate yourself at your current score. This has two effects: it means that your score has a natural upwards progression and that the more posts you have, the more "solid" your karma is. To use my own obscene post count as an example, I have something like 40,000 self-ratings of "Guru" so no one is going to budge my karma downwards at this point.
But, yes, you're right in that you should naturally gain karma over time even if no one rates you upwards, just so long as no one rates you downwards either.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I think I am just a sage, but then some of my comments have been pretty spicy.
Edit ok I am a sage is that higher or lower than a scholar? Does it depend on how high the sage brush is?
Thanks Jophiel for you explanation.
Edited, Oct 22nd 2009 11:16pm by Jonwin
Edit ok I am a sage is that higher or lower than a scholar? Does it depend on how high the sage brush is?
Thanks Jophiel for you explanation.
Edited, Oct 22nd 2009 11:16pm by Jonwin
Sage is next above Scholar Jonwin.
I don't remember when I got Scholar, it was years ago now. I do remember getting Sage, as it was around the last week of Dec 2008, and I had several posts that got good ratings.
I'm pretty much with snailish, but I probably don't rate up as often as he does, and definitely not as often I'd like, just because I leave Javascript off most the time, so this slow computer runs smoother. If a post is exceptional though, I almost always rate it up. The only time I don't is if I keep forgetting about it and it gets too old to rate.
Thanks for noting your thought on bbot and me, and I agree bbot should be guru by now. :)
Yther Ore.
Edited, Oct 22nd 2009 11:31pm by Yther
I don't remember when I got Scholar, it was years ago now. I do remember getting Sage, as it was around the last week of Dec 2008, and I had several posts that got good ratings.
I'm pretty much with snailish, but I probably don't rate up as often as he does, and definitely not as often I'd like, just because I leave Javascript off most the time, so this slow computer runs smoother. If a post is exceptional though, I almost always rate it up. The only time I don't is if I keep forgetting about it and it gets too old to rate.
Thanks for noting your thought on bbot and me, and I agree bbot should be guru by now. :)
Yther Ore.
Edited, Oct 22nd 2009 11:31pm by Yther
I don't remember when I got scholar, but I got sage (and guru) off of a thread about LDON beta. I didn't have that many posts at the time, and posting only moderately good information was enough to get a bunch of 5's and get my numeric up to at one point I think 4.97. Of course, I am a big enough asshat that it didn't stay red for that long - but got enough inertia out of it that pretty much no one who is not an admin would ever be able to shift me downwards.
The amount of karma inertia you get has always seemed a little odd to me. It takes a LOT to shift anyone. You don't actually just get one rating at your current score whenever you post - you get two. People don't rate posts very often - it's rare to have someone's posts get rated by other people more than once every maybe three posts or so unless they are really really inflammatory/spammy all the time, or post infrequently and are incredibly helpful.
It is a little bit easier to down vote someone than to up vote them, though. Every third (or fourth? I forget) awful rating on any one post has extra kick.
When I had admin status I tinkered with the karma of a few regular EQ forum posters that I thought deserved it.
The amount of karma inertia you get has always seemed a little odd to me. It takes a LOT to shift anyone. You don't actually just get one rating at your current score whenever you post - you get two. People don't rate posts very often - it's rare to have someone's posts get rated by other people more than once every maybe three posts or so unless they are really really inflammatory/spammy all the time, or post infrequently and are incredibly helpful.
It is a little bit easier to down vote someone than to up vote them, though. Every third (or fourth? I forget) awful rating on any one post has extra kick.
When I had admin status I tinkered with the karma of a few regular EQ forum posters that I thought deserved it.
As an example of karma inertia weirdness:
Person A posts 500 times. The first 495 are in the EQOA forum which no one ever reads, so he gets no ratings other than 2x3.00's each for them. The last five are on the announcement of some beta and contain a lot of leet inside infoos, so he gets an astounding hundred different people rating each of them excellent. His karma ends up being about 3.67 - which is hardly bad, only on the lower end of sage.
Person B posts 500 times. The first five are on the announcement of some beta and contain a lot of leet inside infoos, so he gets an astounding hundred different people rating each of them excellent. The last 495 are in the EQOA forum which no one ever reads, so he gets no ratings other than 2x his normal karma ratings each for them. His karma ends up being something like 4.98.
Both posters posted the same content, and got the same number of ratings from other people, but the order in which they did so made a big difference in their final karma. That much inertia is represented by only 400 posts - so you can see what the 4000-post buffer I have does, or even more insanely, the 44,000 post buffer Joph has does.
e: it occurred to me that I did this counting an excellent rating as =5, when going from memory it's actually =6. That would change the exact numbers a little bit, but would actually exaggerate the difference even more.
Edited, Oct 23rd 2009 2:44pm by Groogle
Person A posts 500 times. The first 495 are in the EQOA forum which no one ever reads, so he gets no ratings other than 2x3.00's each for them. The last five are on the announcement of some beta and contain a lot of leet inside infoos, so he gets an astounding hundred different people rating each of them excellent. His karma ends up being about 3.67 - which is hardly bad, only on the lower end of sage.
Person B posts 500 times. The first five are on the announcement of some beta and contain a lot of leet inside infoos, so he gets an astounding hundred different people rating each of them excellent. The last 495 are in the EQOA forum which no one ever reads, so he gets no ratings other than 2x his normal karma ratings each for them. His karma ends up being something like 4.98.
Both posters posted the same content, and got the same number of ratings from other people, but the order in which they did so made a big difference in their final karma. That much inertia is represented by only 400 posts - so you can see what the 4000-post buffer I have does, or even more insanely, the 44,000 post buffer Joph has does.
e: it occurred to me that I did this counting an excellent rating as =5, when going from memory it's actually =6. That would change the exact numbers a little bit, but would actually exaggerate the difference even more.
Edited, Oct 23rd 2009 2:44pm by Groogle
Groogle wrote:
You don't actually just get one rating at your current score whenever you post - you get two.
Oops, you're right. You self-rate yourself twice per post, not once. Thanks for the correction.
Edit: This means I have in the neighborhood of 80,000 guru level self-ratings, not counting any ratings anyone else has given me. My karma is invincible!
Edited, Oct 23rd 2009 2:24pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
"Groogle" wrote:
When I had admin status I tinkered with the karma of a few regular EQ forum posters that I thought deserved it.
Nothing against you at all Groogle, but why even bother tinkering with people's karma? It isn't like they can go out and do anything useful with it. I thought the rating system is working as intended, meaning really bad/spam/goldseller posts get sub-defaulted fast. Anything else is just fluff, isn't it?
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Nothing against you at all Groogle, but why even bother tinkering with people's karma? It isn't like they can go out and do anything useful with it. I thought the rating system is working as intended, meaning really bad/spam/goldseller posts get sub-defaulted fast. Anything else is just fluff, isn't it?
Mostly because I like pretty colors. =)
So by that process, as long as I post enough times I would eventually make guru. OK, as long as I didn't **** anyone off, which is as unlikely as me posting enough times to get myself to that level.
Pretty sure I made scholar on the EQ boards back in the day after we switched from UBB. I liked to think it was because I was helpful.
Pretty sure I made scholar on the EQ boards back in the day after we switched from UBB. I liked to think it was because I was helpful.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
I lost all my karma arguing in the asylum. lol
Sad part is i help, i usually stick to the class boards and offer advice - but people dont bother - or too lazy - to update peoples Karma
Edited, Oct 24th 2009 11:07am by wuvarien
Edited, Oct 24th 2009 11:07am by wuvarien
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Sad part is i help, i usually stick to the class boards and offer advice - but people dont bother - or too lazy - to update peoples Karma
Would if I could my friend. You don't need a title to offer interesting comments and help though.
Edited, Oct 24th 2009 11:01am by Boomsticker
wuvarien wrote:
Sad part is i help, i usually stick to the class boards and offer advice - but people dont bother - or too lazy - to update peoples Karma
Edited, Oct 24th 2009 11:07am by wuvarien
Edited, Oct 24th 2009 11:07am by wuvarien
Your right, especially if you are mostly posting updates under items or quests... unless its breaking new content the new person finding your post useful might be way to late to rate you.
Regular forum posting will get you rate ups, look at this thread alone --I haven't been the only one rating up judging by the number of excellents.
So it's a catch 22 that Jophiel and Groogle have explained pretty good. If you spend all your posting time doing helpful quest updates you might never get karma recognized.
I like to rate people up for good information or walkthroughs, when they took the time to explain stuff, or sometimes for something entertaining.
I rarely rate up anymore, I will take time to rate down i the asylum, but in the spirit of compassion I have rated up wuvarian.
That will be 10 plat please.
That will be 10 plat please.
Thanks for the rate up's all. Haven't ever seen an excellent score under my name before. hehe.
Boomsticker wrote:
Thanks for the rate up's all. Haven't ever seen an excellent score under my name before. hehe.
Weekend update posts... tend to be well received, and several people regularly rate it up is my impression. Might be a good way to balance out your asylum antics?
I got scholar during this thread.
I sage'd during this one.
Added thread which did not get me "Promoted" but does go with the first two.
I add stuff to the EQ database kinda regularly, too. Honest!!
I sage'd during this one.
Added thread which did not get me "Promoted" but does go with the first two.
I add stuff to the EQ database kinda regularly, too. Honest!!
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