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#27 Jul 07 2009 at 10:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Because - as you so quickly decided to point out and try to sound really smart - at level 51, the ONLY AAs available to a character are those listed under the general tab. Doh! So what else would you have a level 51 character use all these free AAs on? I do believe that was the point of this part of the discussion - the fact that there are so few options to spend the AAs they give you and some have shared here what they are spending them on.

Spend them on Arch or class type AAs - LMAO ya that's a good one at level 51.... You're funny!


I spent 3 points at level 51. Run 1, 2, 3. After that, I didn't spend another point until I hit 55. I spent 39 more at that level, and I'm saving the final 8 for level 59.

Just because the AAs are free, doesn't mean you should waste them on the general stuff you have available, that provides you little, to no benefit.
#28 Jul 07 2009 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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amastropolo wrote:
Just because the AAs are free, doesn't mean you should waste them on the general stuff you have available, that provides you little, to no benefit.


Ummm yup, that's been pretty much my point from the O.P.
#29 Jul 07 2009 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Hmmm...why spend them at 51 at all? You still have them when you get to 56 or whenever you want to spend them.

I believe this was the point that Reyla was trying to make. Why spend them at all now...back in the day you had to spend 6 in general before you could get to spend them anywhere else, no matter what your level. She was saying save them for when you level.

Truthfully,Trip, you are the one that came across as an *** trying to sound so smart.

Edited, Jul 8th 2009 1:04am by yenwangweh
#30 Jul 07 2009 at 11:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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There definitely were some flaws in the way SOE ran that so call voting poll asking us what server type we wanted:

  • The poll was set to automatically keep coming up each and every time you logged in (rather annoying if you don't want to vote) so you just vote
  • The default vote for the poll was 51/50 which was the only so called new ruleset players understood so that pretty much cinched the new ruleset players
  • There was no "Not Interested" option for players that didn't care (thus most voted 51/50) and had no intentions of playing on a new server - that allowed the anymosity between regular servers and the old progression/combine servers to resurface and the regular server toons that didn't care less were able to get the last jab
  • The poll (like you already noted) was open ONLY to paying subscribers - They could have conducted the poll using IP logging instead
  • The results were never released - SOE claims fictional reasons like competitors wanting to know the numbers and such - but think about it... SOE rules the MMO world with how many games now?


  • 1. Nothing wrong with this
    2. *shrug* if people really cared about having a particular server, they're intelligent enough to click a different circle, I'd think.
    3. That animosity existed for a reason. Progression proponents were some of the most abrasive, annoying, petulant turds I've encountered in MMOs (and I've been playing WoW since the stress test)
    4. Why shouldn't it be? The only people that matter to an ongoing business based on recurring payment of fees are....the people actually paying those fees. You don't get offered a Centurion card for using a VISA or Mastercard. So why should people who aren't paying the cost, be the boss?
    5. SOE rules the MMO world? Okay, where's the DeLorean? I thought this was 2009? This little company no one ever heard of released this game back in '04...

    I wasn't really very interested in Mayong but I sure as hell wasn't going to let progression win so the whiny masses could stand on the outside looking in and try to comment. So my 30 votes helped launch Mayong. yay! I'll probably box a group there from time to time but it's probably not going to be my main server (got too much work invested in Rendition and most of my characters aren't 'done' yet. Even the 85s). In my view, they should roll out a Mayong option to all servers (i.e. if you have an 80 or 85 on your account, you have the option of starting new toons at 51). As Reyla says, it would only save a few days (hell, 2-4 hours for me, depending on class) but that period is largely trivial in today's game. You don't learn grouping dynamics at level 30 anymore. Why is that? Well, it could be, because there's no one at those levels like it was in say 2000 or 2001.

    This isn't the same game anymore. The sooner people realize that, the sooner they'll avoid disappointment when a corporation decides not to indulge their nostalgic fantasies.
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    #31 Jul 08 2009 at 3:35 AM Rating: Decent
    Brief point: yes, you can get to 51 in a couple days or faster, but you will not have your skills maxed. That is the nice thing about this server. No catching up casting and weapon skills, no hours wasted learning FD, etc. Also having basic starting gear and full spellbook is hours saved. Leveling is easy, the rest takes time and patience.

    #32 Jul 08 2009 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
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    The server is a nice concept, but what will make it succeed are the players. I made a couple of new characters and let me say, some of the players really suck in terms of their attitude. They will disrespect others around them and pull mobs right out from under them. Not to mention the morons who don't understand the concept of a mezzed mob. They see a mob sitting there and are like: 'Duh, the mob isn't moving, so it must be ours! Oh, what's this thing about me waking up a mob? Oh well, I'll just go pee on my face some more.'

    It is nice if you want to experiment with different classes, but just be warned that places that would normally be fun are invaded by idiots like mentioned above.
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    #33 Jul 09 2009 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
    This server did not win the vote. It is clear by just how the crowd reacted when our new fearless producer announced the new servers launch at the SOE Fan Faire. He had to try and make jokes after the whole room looked at him like he was a total *** for thinking ANYONE wanted 51/50. 51/50 should be a option on EVERY SERVER that isnt a new progression server. because you have to be 81+ with 1000+ AA's to anything real in END game EQ nowadays anyways. well ok maybe not 1000 but 700 minimum to be effective. Point is i like the server because its new, but one month from now everyone who joined this server will go back to there previous servers or quit eq altogether again. Only reason its holding its own now is because its fresh. Only good server is a progression server that can release the first 3 expansion then just add content to them like WOW does all the expansion have killed EQ because ther is so much to do but with no one to do it with.
    #34 Jul 09 2009 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
    P.S. Think im a just install OS X and play EQmac i can deal with all exps to PoP.
    #35 Jul 10 2009 at 10:03 AM Rating: Decent
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    I've played a little on the new server and what I find disconcerting is that the gear everybody starts with is far superior to that dropped by almost any groupable named in any zone a level 51-ish player would visit for XP.

    So this takes all the excitement out of killing a named. Initially players get excited when the puller announces he's found a named monster. But once someone looks up what the named typically drops.... there's no point in engaging it. The mob is still a hard fight and instead of the Pavlovian incentive of a potential drop of a nice upgrade piece of loot, there's the knowledge that whatever it drops is just going to rot.

    It would be naive---and perhaps considered greedy and "ungrateful"---to even suggest that they should have upgraded the drops on this server. Not to mention probably programmatically impractical. But by giving every player very decent gear to start, with almost no potential upgrades until at least 10-15 levels are gained, the whole motivation of this server is going to be the race to level, which means this becomes "just another EQ server" within a few months.

    Also, how anyone could think this design would attract new customers, or even attract old-timers back to the game, is beyond me. What it WILL do is further depress the population of other servers for a time, which can't be a good thing...

    I will say one thing... if trains are part of anyone's nostalgic memories of old EQ, then trains are available here! As one player commented to me in passing, since nobody can afford invis potions yet, their method of pulling and splitting is to just keep training the zone so woe betides any players entering a dungeon zone unawares of what lurks on the other side...

    Edited, Jul 10th 2009 2:06pm by Sippin
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    #36 Jul 13 2009 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
    Yeah starting out with full flawed defiant is retarded its like the devs just want you to race to the end again. Should of started people out with the level 20 defiant series. its ok gear but not retarded great gear. Guess they want to test out if they can make all servers 51/50.
    #37 Jul 15 2009 at 2:01 AM Rating: Good
    Goldknyght wrote:
    Only good server is a progression server that can release the first 3 expansion then just add content to them like WOW does all the expansion have killed EQ because ther is so much to do but with no one to do it with.


    Bzzzt! Incorrect. Do we really have to go through this crap again? How do you suggest a progression server be released that isn't influenced by people like me (i.e. the people who can/do play a lot, box multiple characters, and aren't interested in fighting over Aviak charm drops)? Do you lock it for a specific period of time, knowing the server's going to bleed players if you make it too long a period or be totally farmed out if the period is too short?

    All I've ever seen is people clamoring for some nebulous server concept that they can't even define. Follow your instincts. Play EQMac, which is exactly what you're looking for and is filled with people like you who want that experience more than anything else. And as a bonus, you will never see an expansion past PoP. Ever. Win/win!

    I played on Mayong for a while and got a Mage/Shaman duo to 61/18 and quit there. The community there reminds me a lot of WoW (and that's not a compliment) on Elune but at least there are people around. I've kept to myself (though I did spend some time PLing a RL friend who took the plunge from 51 to 56) and I've seen that people are inherently sheep as many camps I plan to hit in the future are devoid of people. I'm going to do LDoNs for AAs and the unique augs (pet aug, dodge mod aug, etc) and then shoot to 65 and park my *** somewhere in PoP (can't say where. Don't want to alert the masses Smiley: tongue). Heck, at this rate, I'll be 80/1k by the end of next week. I stay on /role since someone clued me in to the massive open guild recruiting that goes on (i.e. people sending blind guild recruitment tells to everyone in a certain level range).

    But honestly, if it wasn't summer time, this server would have a much shorter shelf life. I don't see it maintaining this level of population in the winter.
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