Class vs RaceFollow

not as far as I can tell...

I think that halflilngs still have an XP bonus but that's all...

For My post number 2009, on the first day of 2009.


Race only matters for the reasons mentioned above, Iksar ac and regen, and Ogre no stun.
One of the Best warriors I have seen is a dark elf. One of the others was a gnome.
The things we do for love. Hope you got lots of kisses.

I believe they removed all racial xp penalties and kept the benefits. I've noticed my warrior has been gaining xp faster than the rest of my group. I six box so I can watch these things pretty closely. Personally, my races of choice are anything elf. They get night vision and are not hidious plus the faction is pretty neutral. I can deal with being shorter in game as I am tall in real life. So it feels good not to bump my head on doorways both in and out of game. As far as your halfling diliema, Amulet of Necropotence will give you skelly form at level 1 and you can quest for the Crown of Deceit for Wood Elf Illusion. Or...you can spend millions of plat at the casino in Shadow Haven in hopes of getting a Guise of Deceiver for Dark Elf illusion. Good luck with your warrior endeavors.

Halflings are, by lore, creatures that would rather miss a meal than go on an adventure. And they would NEVER miss a meal. Add to that that they look like obese kids that stole daddy's weapons and you have...abomination. There's no reason I can think of to ever play one, let alone group with one. Unless GF faction plays a role *sighs*

Boomsticker, defiant armor (helms) from "flawed" defiant and above, will provide ultravision.

As far as the importance of race? Well, I'll take a stab at it:

1. The graphic, or "look" of the character is very important to many people. This is what dieselious is getting at, I believe, and it is also a very important factor for me, too. I'd bet many people here would be unhappy playing a race of character other than the one they are currently playing for that particular character.

2. Race-specific abilities. They matter, and yes, people still pick certain races because of it. The gnome (tinker), ogre (stun resist), drakkin (breath weapon), and iksar (forage, + extra AC, + regen)are all examples or races with unusual or even unique abilities.

3. Faction. I realize some people don't care much for questing, but many do, and having faction problems can make doing a particular city's quests difficult or next to impossible.

4. Social considerations. Although I can't prove this one, I have long suspected that many people choose a character that they feel projects their real-world self the best. I have always wondered if this is a reason why we see humans, wood elves, and high elves predominating (despite their unremarkable race-based abilities), whilst ogres, trolls, and frogloks remain rare (despite their rather impressive race-based abilities). I think that people want to appear attractive, even in-game. This one would be a great topic for a sociologist to look at, no?

5. Smaller races have less trouble squeezing through smelly dungeons and crowded cities (especially cities made for smaller races).

6. Most larger races (ogre, troll, vah-shir) consume food more quickly. This can be a real pain when you use stat food: you have to force-feed yourself more often to keep yourself from eating the stat food. WTB miraculous meal, anyone?

Those are all the reason I can think of. Despite what some say, race is still important in everquest, as it should be.

6. Most larger races (ogre, troll, vah-shir) consume food more quickly.

Only Vah Shir suffer from this. The major Ogre/Troll trade-off used to be a heavy xp penalty and SOE tried to get away from that by allowing VS to gain xp normally but they had to eat more."

My opinion comes from my own personal experience playing Korgulon, my ogre sk, and also this site, which under the "Races" tab gives a quick rundown of racial strengths and weaknesses. The allakhazam race section clearly states ogres and trolls eat more.

However, I never *timed* how fast ogres eat a given food item, compared to say, gnomes.

Also, frogloks have ultravision. Froglok swimming skill starts even higher than iksar (125 vs. 100 to start), but you're right in that it's not very impressive an ability. I was mainly noting how the human-like races seem so common despite their relative *lack* of abilities.

Btw, there used to be a "races" forum on this site for people to comment about these issues - but I can't seem to find it - has it been removed? I seem to remember I last saw it about a year and a half ago. They have the wikibase thing, but I didn't see where there was a "races forum" linked.

Edited, Jan 6th 2009 8:03am by zirumkin

STR 164
STA 164
DEX 156
AGI 141

A full set of Elaborate Defiant Plate gives the above stats. Elaborate Defiant Plate you can get for free basically because so much of it drops.

Race may matter for many reasons but not for stats anymore. My Gnome Warrior has all max stats with Defiant and Trio jewelry.

I too put all my stats into STR on my Monk when I made her and now she has 500 in everything including INT and WIS and I don't wear any raid gear at all. I had to buy 15 ranks of Planar Power because she was so overcapped on stats.

Edited, Jan 7th 2009 1:23am by Reyla

Race? Very simple. You're either a Dark Elf, or you're hideous.

No it does not. Look at my sig. My warrior's a Wood Elf and the reason for that was purely aesthetic and conceptual. If anyone's familiar with the Shannara novels, I made her along the lines of an Elven Hunter. Being of average size myself, I know that a discreet cut of the carotid can be just as effective as a sledgehammer to the forehead. Beyond that, I hate how Ogres and Trolls look so there's no way I'd roll one. Plus, while I do like Barbarians, I don't like being common (and you can't take 4 steps without tripping over a Barbarian warrior or six).

I agree with you though. I can't stand the way halflings look either. But, I don't like cats in RL (dogs rule!) so I don't like Vah Shir ingame either. I will say that you should at least consider going along with it. It's a concession you make for future benefit. Heck, at least your gf will play EQ. Mine refuses ("You mean the game where you box your own group because nobody plays? I'll pass!"), but somehow finds lots of joy minting level 80 characters in WoW.

For your warrior, race doesn't matter. Only level, AA, and gear (and not necessarily in that order) matters.

I cannot honestly say whether or not slam works with the Bash skill. If you're right, and it does, then Slam is very nice. The only large races I've ever had were a troll BL and troll Shaman, though, so I've had no chance to try it out and see.

Anyways, it shares its timer with kick as well, except that slam refreshes slower, so I dunno.

Yes, for large races slam will act as a bash that you don't need a shield for. It gives you skill ups in the bash skill when you use it, but only if you're a class that actually gets bash. At least that's how it was about 7 or 8 years ago when I played a Barbarian Warrior.