what does the +1 mean next to an items stat?Follow

See this thread.

Yther Ore.

Heroic stats raise your stat cap.

So it has everything to do with raising your stat cap. :-/

Yther Ore.

It gives more, but it does increase stat cap and the related effects you get from the stat cap raise, assuming your stats are at cap anyway. So saying it has nothing to do with stat cap is just wrong! Now if you wanted to say it does more that would be correct!

And it's rather obvious that it raises stat cap, if you're maxed and remove such an item, and you will see the appropriate other stat changes, i.e. Str gives Attack, Sta gives HPs, Agility gives AC, etc.

Yther Ore.

Edited, Sep 11th 2008 9:53pm by Yther

I'll second this.

My warrior is well over the strength stat cap. For discussion purposes, let's say that my warrior is at 450 in strength (i.e. my current cap). If I now equip an items that has STR X + 2, my displayed strength is now 452.

Based soley on how the game displays the strength, I would say that it increases the cap. Now, I don't know the mechanics of the game, and maybe that is just how they display the heroic stat when in fact it doesn't have any impact in terms of "over the cap".

EQ:Heroic Stats

- Heroic Intelligence: Increases mana pool, mana regen, and the maximum amount of mana regen an int-based caster can have. It requires +25 heroic intel to gain a single point of +mana regeneration.

- Heroic Wisdom: Increases mana pool, mana regen, and the maximum amount of mana regen a wis-based caster can have.

- Heroic Strength: Increases endurance pool, endurance regen, and the maximum amount of endurance regen a character can have. Also increases damage done by melee attacks and improves the bonus granted to armor class while using a shield.

- Heroic Stamina: Increases hit point pool, hit point regen, and the maximum amount of hit point regen a character can have. Also increases endurance pool, endurance regen, and the maximum amount of endurance regen a character can have.

- Heroic Agility: Increases endurance pool, endurance regen, and the maximum amount of endurance regen a character can have. Also increases the chance to dodge an attack, grants a bonus to defense skill, and reduces falling damage.

- Heroic Dexterity: Increases endurance pool, endurance regen, and the maximum amount of endurance regen a character can have. Also increases damage done by ranged attacks, improves chance to successfully assassinate or headshot, and improves the chance to riposte, block, and parry incoming attacks.

- Heroic Charisma: Improves reaction rolls with some NPCs and increases the amount of faction you gain or lose when faction is adjusted.

And you don't see that you get cap raises, and the associated effects of the raised cap, and almost all of the items listed in Ernov's post are along the same lines as raising caps, though some in different words and to a greater degree (like more damage from Str, instead of more Attack Power which also increases damage, and is gained from raising Str and is clearly visible change on your stats). So (sarcastically), Heroic stats have nothign to do with stats or stats caps :-/

That is like saying Avoidance has absolutely nothing to do with AC, and is a completely different.

For someone with no clue what it is, saying it's a cap raise is the simplest form that can give them the idea, and the linked thread says it's called Heroic Stat, so if they wanted more detail they could do like you suggested and search for it.

The details are meaningless to someone who just wants an idea of what they are. Details are important once you know and are trying compare equipment. And as you can see, from Enrov's post there really aren't any details in the form of numbers, other than a few parses done so far. So even going into deep detail for comparison really isn't valid at the moment either.

Yther Ore.

Thanks Johnny and thanks for finding it. I am happy to be wrong in this instance.

Ernov, do you have SoF expansion?

I put two and two together and realized that the description of each heroic stat's benefit includes the benefit of the pure stat. Heroic stats give additional benefits above and beyond adding x value of pure stat.

My apologies for my misunderstanding of this topic and I appreciate being shown some facts.