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put back as I was moving it you answered it here.

Reguarding sections 12 & 13. I primarly use a few of the gameing fourms and have noticed over the years many low post count posters with sage and guru status. I assume you guys do not proactivly look over things like this that could be a issue, but you may want to cover the correct manner to address them with admins.

sigh its too early ment to add this to the thread linked above not here. Could a admin please move the post there?



moved to correct thread.

Edited, Apr 30th 2008 8:09am by rosleck

Edited, Apr 30th 2008 10:07am by rosleck

Edited, Apr 30th 2008 10:08am by rosleck

Posting this here because I feel it pertains to this forum community mostly (or solely) and I am wondering what you all think:

In the days of anon posting (look up any Kunark item or quest)there is a lot of clown posts. Things like "can't say the class here because it blocks the post item" and so on. Many of these are sub-defaulted but many are hanging on default just needing that last kick.

So, is it a bad thing to rate ancient garbage (the obvious stuff) down, even if it goes on for 5-6 posts in a row? If you read the link in the OP that seems like it could fall under the definition of karma-camping?



We have a pretty regular community on this forum. I recognize that some don't care for quests or items under level 75, but others enjoy doing the old stuff. It is frustrating to look up an old quest you don't quite remember and following bad information.

I do realize that things have been changed so posts that were correct (i.e., before a revamp) no longer are, but when someone's post about spawning a named is clearly wrong and always has been would you (should you) rate it down?

I know that we (as the EQ alla community) aren't going to go back and review thousands of posts to make it all right as of today. When I recently did a multi-stage quest out of Cabilis I did update some of the specific threads when I felt it might be helpful to someone down the road. I rated a couple of solid old posts up that helped me immensely, but did not get into rating down stuff.

One of the lesser known features of the karma system is that non admin users Can't go back and rate a post that is older than a certian time period. If you see something that is old and needs nuked, let an admin know.

Hmm, what about reverse karma camping? I know it was mentioned, the posters with all of 30 posts (where 20 of them have been either questions or inane comments that add nothing) that carry around sage, when there's those of us that provide answers in 431 posts, with at least 400 of them being constructive albeit sarcastic and barely scrape by on scholar. Erm, the question here is whether it's considered karma camping to go and rate someone up based on the fact that they have internet boobies and/or act like an internet boobie.

Heh, reading helps. After following all the linkies I saw that this was indeed against the rules, hrm..... interesting.

I mean... I know there are some people from the FFXI forums that seem to know what they're talking about, they have less than 100 postcount and are sages. Kirbyramz has less than 1k posts and he's a guru. If anything, it should be looked at on a case-to-case basis.

The Karma system is good in intent but bad in practice. Being able to skip posted who the community as a whole dont feel contrubute anything is a good idea. But as outlined above folk with a circle of friends or a sock rateing them selves up defete the purpose.


Edited to add: You you want to try to spot likely folk doing any of the above I look at the time a thread was posted and how long after the odd rate up start. Its kinda funny to see a thread or post a few mins old with 1 or 2 posts in it but a bunch of rate ups and almost no views.

Edited, May 1st 2008 2:22pm by rosleck

I just wanted to say Im not pointing any fingers at anyone, least of all anyone in this thread.

Now,....I agree it should be looked on on a case by case baisis, but to be really honest what admin has that kind of free time? I would prefer they keep the site running and keep improveing it to babysitting karma.

Mabey that could be some sort of voulinteer position..../shrug

Edited, May 1st 2008 3:08pm by rosleck

No, it has to do with only ratings. However, it's easier to get the higher ranks at lower post counts, since the karma system works with your total post count as a dividend or something. I'm not really sure how it works... but if you rate someone with 15 posts up 5 times, they may go scholar (just an example), where, on the other hand, if you rate somebody with 15,000 posts up 5 times, they'll probably still be default.

This is good to know and thank you for the reply. Also thank you to the replyers that set me on track with Karma camping. I like to rate up positive contributions, I've seldom rated anything down (one of those plat sites that got there posts nuked I know I did). I see the weekend update as a positive contribution to this forum's community so I rate it up too.

I won't ask for admin time to be spent culling the Kunark and earlier threads of fluff though, that just seems like pickiness and not the best use of anyone's time.

Would we lose anything of value if all anon posts rated less than good were nuked? This would possibly a simple operation? I am wondering if this was done if anyone would notice aside from the overall post-count total taking a nosedive...

I stopped responding to questions from "sages" with post counts under 50, but this was mainly after reviewing some of my older posts where I got rated down hard for linking a very thorough cleric 1.5 walkthrough, giving spell discriptions on things that said "unknown effect" and posting information on quests. Karma here almost makes me not want to post anymore.

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