Am I the only one who thinks gear in EQ has gone mad ? Why does anyone actually need gm cultural armor, SoF gear, and super jewerly before level 75. You don't need the above to do group omens zones etc. I remember tanking RCoD well with 70 beastlord all defensive AA through PoP with just LDoN merchant and DoN merchant gear with a mage and cleric box. Part of the fun in EQ is enjoying when an upgrade drops you can use.
How enjoyable is content if your overgeared for it, not much IMO.
Guess I'm trying to say at some point more is just more. The most fun ive ever had in EQ was working for every piece of gear I had, not one bazaar piece purchase. I'm currently working on a shammy on test. Will be sweet when im able to get 75 - 100 hp mana items from omens one day.
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balayan wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks gear in EQ has gone mad ? Why does anyone actually need gm cultural armor, SoF gear, and super jewerly before level 75. You don't need the above to do group omens zones etc. I remember tanking RCoD well with 70 beastlord all defensive AA through PoP with just LDoN merchant and DoN merchant gear with a mage and cleric box. Part of the fun in EQ is enjoying when an upgrade drops you can use.
How enjoyable is content if your overgeared for it, not much IMO.
Guess I'm trying to say at some point more is just more. The most fun ive ever had in EQ was working for every piece of gear I had, not one bazaar piece purchase. I'm currently working on a shammy on test. Will be sweet when im able to get 75 - 100 hp mana items from omens one day.
flame shield up 75hps 75 mana !
How enjoyable is content if your overgeared for it, not much IMO.
Guess I'm trying to say at some point more is just more. The most fun ive ever had in EQ was working for every piece of gear I had, not one bazaar piece purchase. I'm currently working on a shammy on test. Will be sweet when im able to get 75 - 100 hp mana items from omens one day.
flame shield up 75hps 75 mana !
It really depends on your goals.
For me, I have been in the 60s for what seems like forever, working on AAs. Once I reach 300 AAs, I plan to level to 70 and get at least 100 more AAs. Why on earth would I cripple myself by wearing crappy gear when there is much better stuff available? The better gear I have, the bigger mobs I can fight, and the faster I can earn AAs. Or level, when it's time to do that.
What she said. Plus, what do you consider overgeared? I agree that could be the case, if you are still doing LDoNs, or PoP, and your using gear from say, TBS, but what are you suggesting? Should players swap out armor sets according to what content they are doing? I am currently in mostly Anguish gear, with a couple of Demi pieces. If I head to Kunark to help with someones 1.0, should I gear down to make the encounter more exciting, or stay with what I have, and cut down the amount of time the encounter takes. I also agree that twinking has become the norm, but with level requirements, I dont think its that bad. With the increased difficulty of encounters, as each new expansion comes out, the equipment had to keep pace. Your opinion is interesting, and I think its been expressed before, because we have the progression server. I dont know much about that server, but doesnt it only open up content if you have mastered the previous content? As for the gear attained through tradeskilling? Hey, if you take the time necessary to gain the level of skill necessary to make this stuff, why shouldnt you wear it, if your the appropriate level.
I'm speaking about a level 65 group player with a set of gm cultural that was purchased in bazaar with the new SoF gear and the new jewerly. What does this group player have to look forward to group gear wise in omens, depths spell arc missions and arcstone armor set ? nothing ! To say omens group gear is crapp just because insanely powerful bazaar gear is to be had now is just silly.
Don't see the problem here either. Better gear = harder content you can succeed at that's challenging. I go where ever experience is good and I can handle the content.
You also have to consider lower population density. I solo alot on alts and even my main due to no groups, or no groups with xp better than what I can solo.
I've never been so well geared that was there wasn't something challenging to do. Now there have been times when the current hot grinding spot becomes easy, but grind spots generally tend to be low difficulty to start with, with just average group gear, otherwise they wouldn't be so popular.
Just my 2cp on the subject.
Yther Ore.
You also have to consider lower population density. I solo alot on alts and even my main due to no groups, or no groups with xp better than what I can solo.
I've never been so well geared that was there wasn't something challenging to do. Now there have been times when the current hot grinding spot becomes easy, but grind spots generally tend to be low difficulty to start with, with just average group gear, otherwise they wouldn't be so popular.
Just my 2cp on the subject.
Yther Ore.
/shrug
I prefer to earn my gear and still try to do so on a new alt more often than going shopping in the baz. If others do differently its no skin off my nose.
I prefer to earn my gear and still try to do so on a new alt more often than going shopping in the baz. If others do differently its no skin off my nose.
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Ok, since you clarified your point. Group gear has always been that way, unless it has some redeeming clicky, focus, or worn effect. And OoW has alot to ffer in the way of gear that's still useful. Tier 1 gear, has some nice effects. At <65 I wear some OoW group gear over my Cultured because it has way better AC and HPs .. now by 65, that of course will change. Charged Magnetic armor that's been around since OoW is even better yet <65.
Of course your point was 65+, but by then, you can go experience in SoF zones, and there are augments everywhere worth getting.
And if your point is about buyable vs getting your own ... it's always been that way. That's where twinking came from in the Original game, and especially when Kunark came out, with lots of really great items, even today, with no level requirement. If you got the cash you can buy great gear. That has always been part of the game.
This fact has never bothered me other than you can buy pp with real life currency. That is the real problem with the system. Getting stuff you didn't earn in-game.
/shrug
Again, just my 2cp.
Yther Ore.
Of course your point was 65+, but by then, you can go experience in SoF zones, and there are augments everywhere worth getting.
And if your point is about buyable vs getting your own ... it's always been that way. That's where twinking came from in the Original game, and especially when Kunark came out, with lots of really great items, even today, with no level requirement. If you got the cash you can buy great gear. That has always been part of the game.
This fact has never bothered me other than you can buy pp with real life currency. That is the real problem with the system. Getting stuff you didn't earn in-game.
/shrug
Again, just my 2cp.
Yther Ore.
I could be wrong, but I dont think a level 65 can wear Elegant (isnt that the new GM or grand master level) cultural armor, but might be able to wear Elaborate. If so, then its appropriate for his level. As for the symbols that go into cultural, a level 65 cant wear exalted or sublime, which are the two top levels in symbols. Last Bloods, and Bazu augs? Those have a required level of 70. Bottom line is if someone is buying this stuff, or the stuff to make them in the bazaar, they arent "overgearing" themselves. The top stuff is only worn by 75+ anyway.
As for OOW gear being crap; I dont beleive that at all. Anguish is OOW, and that is where I am currently in gear (I certainly dont think my gear is crap, given how hard I worked for it). I have swapped out one piece with an elegant piece of cultural, but that was because I got a Last blood in DoDH. Otherwise I will stick with my Anguish gear till I can win the bids on some more Demi gear.
Now for the jewelry. I think they put level restrictions on this as well. I think its on the gems now, but not sure. Might be the setting. If you make those level requirements, Grats. Alot of people are complaining about those level requirements, so they must be somewhat restrictive.
I think, for the most part, that recommended and required level restrictions are serving their purpose and preventing the "madness" that you perceive. You have a valid point/opinion and if you feel strongly enough about it, you should bring it up with the developers. Maybe your not the only one that feels that way. Perhaps you have a valid point, even if I dont think you do.
As for OOW gear being crap; I dont beleive that at all. Anguish is OOW, and that is where I am currently in gear (I certainly dont think my gear is crap, given how hard I worked for it). I have swapped out one piece with an elegant piece of cultural, but that was because I got a Last blood in DoDH. Otherwise I will stick with my Anguish gear till I can win the bids on some more Demi gear.
Now for the jewelry. I think they put level restrictions on this as well. I think its on the gems now, but not sure. Might be the setting. If you make those level requirements, Grats. Alot of people are complaining about those level requirements, so they must be somewhat restrictive.
I think, for the most part, that recommended and required level restrictions are serving their purpose and preventing the "madness" that you perceive. You have a valid point/opinion and if you feel strongly enough about it, you should bring it up with the developers. Maybe your not the only one that feels that way. Perhaps you have a valid point, even if I dont think you do.
Harrington wrote:
I could be wrong, but I dont think a level 65 can wear Elegant (isnt that the new GM or grand master level) cultural armor, but might be able to wear Elaborate.
Correct. And pretty much ditto to your entire post. The level requirements make it impossible to "over gear" your toon. Even on the pieces that have recommended levels and not required levels, the stats get diminished to a significant degree. For example, I outfitted my mage with some dwerium jewelry but she's still too little to be getting the full benefit from it, so I took it off and replaced it with level-appropriate gear.
balayan wrote:
I'm speaking about a level 65 group player with a set of gm cultural that was purchased in bazaar with the new SoF gear and the new jewerly. What does this group player have to look forward to group gear wise in omens, depths spell arc missions and arcstone armor set ? nothing ! To say omens group gear is crapp just because insanely powerful bazaar gear is to be had now is just silly.
He has absolutely nothing to look forward too in Omens or Arcstone. Is this a problem? Not for him not should it be. If a player wants to buy gear that makes him overpowered vs the content he's playing in thats ok, If said player decides to complain that the zone he's playing in has nothing worthwhile for him then he's an idiot.
Yeah, dont know that I'd call it madness.
I've actually got 3 or 4 purchased pieces of gear on my main right now...more than ever before I think, but I really liked then new cultural stuff. I had some plat piling up so I had two pieces made for me.
I guess it comes down to (as many seeming conflicts in this game do) the enormous amount of content EQ has available and the myriad fashions created to support all that content. Some may choose to buy gear and simply grind, others may choose to quest or craft gear.
...again it's simply what one wants from the game.
I've actually got 3 or 4 purchased pieces of gear on my main right now...more than ever before I think, but I really liked then new cultural stuff. I had some plat piling up so I had two pieces made for me.
I guess it comes down to (as many seeming conflicts in this game do) the enormous amount of content EQ has available and the myriad fashions created to support all that content. Some may choose to buy gear and simply grind, others may choose to quest or craft gear.
...again it's simply what one wants from the game.
Alma wrote:
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When you face a mob that can quad for 8,000 points I can tell you that more isn't just more. Sometimes it's not even enough.
For normal group stuff, yeah sometimes, it's a bit over the top and more is just more.
Look at it this way. Tank_01 has the means and the time to gear himself out in insane gear. His buddies don't. They can still group with him and have the same fun. In fact, I would say that they can now try some content that they couldn't try before understanding the danger that if Tank_01 dies, they will be in over their head. Seems like a win / win for this group.
Sure, there are some way's it's not win / win, but why be concerned about it? Go with the positives and use things in the game to your advantage to increase your enjoyment.
EQ is as fun as you make it. Or not.
For normal group stuff, yeah sometimes, it's a bit over the top and more is just more.
Look at it this way. Tank_01 has the means and the time to gear himself out in insane gear. His buddies don't. They can still group with him and have the same fun. In fact, I would say that they can now try some content that they couldn't try before understanding the danger that if Tank_01 dies, they will be in over their head. Seems like a win / win for this group.
Sure, there are some way's it's not win / win, but why be concerned about it? Go with the positives and use things in the game to your advantage to increase your enjoyment.
EQ is as fun as you make it. Or not.
The whole point of getting better gear is so you can do more challenging things. With better gear and AAs you can do things that other players could not dream of doing at your level. That is fun to many people. Being able to solo white or yellow cons due to having lots of aa and gear is a good thing to many players.
I guess I'm from another planet. Id rather work on arcstone armor set, depths spell arc gear with a dash of omens to fill the slots than to buy the cultural armor, SoF stuff and that new jewerly even if it was 10pp each !
Like stated there are a lot of different player types in game.
Decent gear with the good AAs will take you far in the group game.
Like stated there are a lot of different player types in game.
Decent gear with the good AAs will take you far in the group game.
I do agree with you in way. I worked hard to get my smithcraft, tailoring, and jewelcraft up to 300. So, I can, and have made my own cultural armor. That being said, I wouldnt feel like I was doing anything wrong in any way, if I were to buy those pieces that I couldnt make due to a lack of the item necessary to make a full set. Course, Elegant is selling for 500k on Drinal, so I wont be buying any of that any time soon. Sublime Augs are selling for 500k as well, so ditto on that. The price of these items is what makes it soooo sweet to be able to make them, either for wear or for selling. Even if I never sell a piece, just the fact that I made something like that is an accomplishment for me. Same with the jewelry. So, if I feel that way, it might be possible that someone else does as well. So, dont begrudge someone the opportunity to sell those items. And if someone is gonna sell it, then there will always be someone who will buy it. Wow, I dont think I could make this reply any more rambling if I tried.
Two thoughts:
One being that if these people raid, even casually, they'll need everything they can get since their level will be a detriment in many ways to survivability and usefulness. Especially any tank classes.
Second, it does at least allow for more varied xping setups for groups, or duos, or solos.
And yes, the gear in question is super powerful by comparison to pre-sof available items to a level 65. But it still has its limits, all the visible slot armor (such as warped steel for plate classes) is req. 75. Exalted augs are 70 as mentioned. I believe the req. level on many of the other pieces is so "low" as to spread out the sudden ramp up in incredibly nice available bazaar-able gear.
One being that if these people raid, even casually, they'll need everything they can get since their level will be a detriment in many ways to survivability and usefulness. Especially any tank classes.
Second, it does at least allow for more varied xping setups for groups, or duos, or solos.
And yes, the gear in question is super powerful by comparison to pre-sof available items to a level 65. But it still has its limits, all the visible slot armor (such as warped steel for plate classes) is req. 75. Exalted augs are 70 as mentioned. I believe the req. level on many of the other pieces is so "low" as to spread out the sudden ramp up in incredibly nice available bazaar-able gear.
I had really low-level gear until a guildie made me a set of the level 65 cultural for Christmas when I was 68, then those round green augs that come from SoF to put in them when I turned 70. Now I have a nice set of gear, but I was kind of sad when my friends and I killed a named in RCoD and the priest-only cap that dropped wasn't even close to being as good as what I had. Before that would have been an enormous upgrade. And even as awesome as I think this new gear is, I still die in one hit if anything my level hits me. So I still rely on my old strategies and know-how to avoid that. Or I die...a lot hehehe.
Yeah - that cultural armor is pretty awesome, but for a has-been like me who rarely has RL time to play, is 10 levels behind everyone I know, and hasn't had the cash to buy SoF yet, it gives me enough mana to keep my group alive (or nuke more :D ) longer than my old gear did. I haven't even SEEN the dwerium stuff yet. New gear may be ungodly, but new content is really hard from what I hear. My alt characters that I really care about all have a mix of random group drops and old-school hand-me downs from friends. The hardest part for me is finding the groups to go do stuff. Maybe that's why a lot of people rely on the cultural stuff - you can get good armor to solo in.
Yeah - that cultural armor is pretty awesome, but for a has-been like me who rarely has RL time to play, is 10 levels behind everyone I know, and hasn't had the cash to buy SoF yet, it gives me enough mana to keep my group alive (or nuke more :D ) longer than my old gear did. I haven't even SEEN the dwerium stuff yet. New gear may be ungodly, but new content is really hard from what I hear. My alt characters that I really care about all have a mix of random group drops and old-school hand-me downs from friends. The hardest part for me is finding the groups to go do stuff. Maybe that's why a lot of people rely on the cultural stuff - you can get good armor to solo in.
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