Wow! What is it about loot?Follow

If your group consisted of just guild members, then perhaps your guild needs to come up with some clear loot rules. If it was a PUG, then loot rules should be determined when the group forms.

Personally, I would think the loot should go to those in the group. If no one needs, then it should go to an alt of someone in group. If it still isn't wanted then it could be offered to guild. That's just my opinion, though.

I really think you may want to take a long hard look at your guild. Every guild has a bad apple here and there but all this fuss onve loot?

Next issue you may have is if you just dont group with the 2 offenders, that will tuen into the " why will she not group with me" saga.

IIRC your a officer in the guild. I know that can mean a lot in some guilda or very little in others. If you really like your guild and want to work on it I would get with the other O's and the GL's and get a police set on this NOW as it seems to be a recuring issue.

As it stood IMHO fisrt shot to mains preasent...then alts of mains in the group then first served to guildys that want it......but with past history a /ooc loot rotting may be a better idea.

I was going to ask as well for the same reasons.

Well first you need to ask yourself is this issue really about Loot?

If its just a Loot issue then it can be fixxed go to GLs and other officers and ask that guild exp group loot rules be writen into guild charter. Then have have GL officers decide on what those rules will be or have rules decided by members through a vote on guild message board.

After you decide what rules are then everyone sticks by them and issue is finished.

On other hand if problem isnt really about Loot then its going to be much harder issue to deal with. If instead you beleave its a group trying to harass you into ether leaveing are doing things way they want to or else.

If you beleave thats the case then you need to go to GLs pick one you trust the most. Tell him/her what your views are and ask him/her to find a solution (this is why being GL sucks)to the problem. I wouldnt go with not grouping idea it just sets you up for one of them going to GL like I described above with you being the badguy.

What happens next in this case depends on GL. The answers you get back will go along way into telling you if the guild is going to work for you in longterm.

Edited, Oct 8th 2007 3:43pm by SiddarA

I can see where you'd be a bit gun shy after the last episode, and that may have made you bit wishy-washy this time around. You put the choice out there, and then people had to come to a consensus...that causes problems.

As an alternate solution you could simply state; I don't need this, you guys figure out who gets it, but as you've alluded to, as group leader you feel as though you have some responsiblity to distribute loot fairly.

As others have stated though...from the story you tell, it sounds like a lot of squabbling over some loot. I've not ever encountered that within guild groups. Usually people are most reasonable. Perhaps you're just in a whiney guild, or maybe they just don't see much loot dropping. Either way, doesn't sound like much fun.

I really don't think it was stated anywhere that she is an officer. I think that was a gbaji inference (dang right-wing media bias!!).

I believe in the other thread she stated she's a O.

A policy of we dont have a policy on group loot so dont bring conflict about it to rest of Guild is one of choices. What actual policy chosen isnt as important as there simply being a policy. Most people wont care one way or another what policy is most will value fairness and guild harmony over Loot. Well they will if there worth being guilded with fairness you acheave by haveing a policy even if its a we dont have a policy policy harmony is acheaved by guild following it.

Some may well oppose chosen policy to point that they will leave guild if they dont get there way. That is the downside of haveing a policy but in end if a person is willing to leave a guild because they dont like a policy on guild exp groups whatever that policy may be then your probaly better off without them.

Many guilds have a few strange policys for sole reason of testing loyalty and willingness of new recruits to adapt to guilds way of doing things. Complaining about loot is fastest way to get yourself thrown out of a guild as new memeber. Valueing Loot over a guildtag is a sure indication to many that person is only concerned for themselfs are that there so inflexxable in there views that they cant work with others unless they always get there way.

Let me add that im not a advocate of haveing a guild policy on everything are even group loot in paticular.

I beleave you can avoid most issues in guilds by treating others in guild with respect. Some issues through will just become points of conflict they will be different points in different guilds. When those points of conflict appear setting guild policy to diffuse the conflict will both headoff conflict growing and increase guild unity by giveing memebers a clear answer on matter.

Jarez's guild sounds like it very much needs to set some policys and assert its identity as guild. My guess is some wont like it and will leave. That still is a better choice then doing nothing and letting factions build up of people in guild that dont like each other until point where guild rips its self apart.

I think the root of the problem is just some bad personalities who are much too greedy/uppity about things like loot. If the first problem wasn't enough, and this one ends up not being either, I can't help but wonder how many days it will be before we're hearing about major guild uproar #3.

"I can't help but wonder how many days it will be before we're hearing about major guild uproar #3."

There will be no more guild uproars....this week has been fine...because I have not grouped with the 2 people that were creating part the issues. And loot rules are more established now.

As I said, after the 2nd "event" I saw what/who was causing things to get out of hand. Each of you have been right! And I have taken the following steps.

1. Looting rules need and have been set out and clearly explained.

2. No linking will be done until the loot has been given to the player that has been awarded the loot and only the "winner" will link it if he/she wishes.

3. Only the group decides how the looting will be done.

4. The group leader will:
a. ask if anyone in group wants loot - if no one THEN
b. ask if a group members alt can use it - if no THEN
c. ask if we open it up to guild - if no one in guild wants THEN
d. ask if we open it up to ooc - if no one in ooc ...it rots

5. If someone links the item to the guild prematurely that char is kicked from the group. This is stated when the group is formed.

Thank you so much for all your input, suggests and advice!

PS: I knew this lol have been in guilds for years. I had just never been in a guild that had a GL butt into an established group and try to say who should join it and who should get what loot. Yikes! The Guild Leader has now spoken with the guild, said she should not have butted in and apologized.